LCHF diet to help you lose weight, not diabetes

[Scandichic]

4 1/2 stone, but I intend to give the Newcastle Diet a try next week as well, but probably won't stay on for the 8 weeks.
I plan 4 weeks, or less depending on weight loss.

Can't really see 'starvation mode',or not being in 'winter mode' as any issue, as it didn't cause me any problem when I was portion controlled/calorie restricted before.
I have to say though, losing 4 1/2 stone, of unwanted insulation, it does seem colder at first.
I don't think I'd be wanting it back purely for that reason though..

Well I was feeling pretty good having lost 3 stone 10lbs but daughter has just taken a piccie of me from the side holding one of our new pets (2 rats who are very cute, very gentle and very loving which is perfect for our kids) from the side and I guess it must be just an unflattering angle still got 1 stone 5 to get to original goal but probably need to make that 2 stone 5

 

[bigtimejohnnypotatoes]

Well I was feeling pretty good having lost 3 stone 10lbs but daughter has just taken a piccie of me from the side holding one of our new pets (2 rats who are very cute, very gentle and very loving which is perfect for our kids) from the side and I guess it must be just an unflattering angle still got 1 stone 5 to get to original goal but probably need to make that 2 stone 5

You mustn't think like that!, the weight loss you have achieved is unbelievable! pictures always add weight to people and the angle excetera, your doing fantastically well!!! very impressive, be nothing but proud!

 

[Brunneria]

Well I was feeling pretty good having lost 3 stone 10lbs but daughter has just taken a piccie of me from the side holding one of our new pets (2 rats who are very cute, very gentle and very loving which is perfect for our kids) from the side and I guess it must be just an unflattering angle still got 1 stone 5 to get to original goal but probably need to make that 2 stone 5

Can we have pics? In a new thread, to avoid derailing this one?

Of the rats! Not your 'unflattering angle'!!!

(I kept rats for about 10 years. Best EVER pet. My maternal instincts have just gone on high alert! )

 

[AnnieC]

Rarely do we have a thread other than LCHF that gets so many people riled up and posting their views on the diet. Douglas seems to be one of the very few who is brave enough to say that he does something different to LCHF so good for him. Maybe it is time for those who do follow different diets but keep quiet about it to feel they can come out of the closet and tell us about them without being knocked back as doing something wrong. It seems we are only interested in what people have to say about their diet as long as it is LCHF and any other ways are dismissed as not being worth doing or listening to Do we think that is the way the forum should be no one should feel they can't say what they are doing

 

[AndBreathe]

Well I was feeling pretty good having lost 3 stone 10lbs but daughter has just taken a piccie of me from the side holding one of our new pets (2 rats who are very cute, very gentle and very loving which is perfect for our kids) from the side and I guess it must be just an unflattering angle still got 1 stone 5 to get to original goal but probably need to make that 2 stone 5

Scandi - In my experience, it takes our bodies a little while to catch up with our weight loss. In other words, if you were to stop losing weight now, your body shape would continue to modify for a little while afterwards.

I seem to have managed to halt my weight loss now, but I am certainly thinner than when I came home; which will be a topic of tense discussion when my OH gets here. Thankfully, the scales there have a memory which will help with my argument.

 

[Scandichic]

Can we have pics? In a new thread, to avoid derailing this one?

Of the rats! Not your 'unflattering angle'!!!

(I kept rats for about 10 years. Best EVER pet. My maternal instincts have just gone on high alert! )

As soon as I get a close up then yes as piccies mostly have girls on. They are very lovely though! Kids love them to bits and Mr Scandi and I are quite taken with them too. Unfortunately so is the cat so we have to keep the door closed if we're not in.

 

[AndBreathe]

Rarely do we have a thread other than LCHF that gets so many people riled up and posting their views on the diet. Douglas seems to be one of the very few who is brave enough to say that he does something different to LCHF so good for him. Maybe it is time for those who do follow different diets but keep quiet about it to feel they can come out of the closet and tell us about them without being knocked back as doing something wrong. It seems we are only interested in what people have to say about their diet as long as it is LCHF and any other ways are dismissed as not being worth doing or listening to Do we think that is the way the forum should be no one should feel they can't say what they are doing

Annie - I think many people have said they do things differently to LCHF; me included. I have certainly reduced my carb and modified my fats, but I certainly don't think I follow LCHF.

 

[Scandichic]

Rarely do we have a thread other than LCHF that gets so many people riled up and posting their views on the diet. Douglas seems to be one of the very few who is brave enough to say that he does something different to LCHF so good for him. Maybe it is time for those who do follow different diets but keep quiet about it to feel they can come out of the closet and tell us about them without being knocked back as doing something wrong. It seems we are only interested in what people have to say about their diet as long as it is LCHF and any other ways are dismissed as not being worth doing or listening to Do we think that is the way the forum should be no one should feel they can't say what they are doing

annie that is not the case. Yes, lots of people do eat lchf but most of us are happy to live and let live. @sanguine has made that point in this thread and so have I. It pleases me when someone gets control of their weight and bs or whatever it is they need to get control of. @douglas99 and I exchange posts fairly regularly and we have completely different ways of doing things yet he always encourages me and I encourage him. I have exchanged posts with @Kat100 who doesn't eat the same as me either but is extremely kind and supportive. If I feel someone posts something which is uninformed or unbalanced then I will challenge them as indeed I would expect someone to challenge me if I did/do the same.

 

[Scandichic]

You mustn't think like that!, the weight loss you have achieved is unbelievable! pictures always add weight to people and the angle excetera, your doing fantastically well!!! very impressive, be nothing but proud!

I'm fine if I look in the mirror front ways on. But from the side? This is my impetus to keep going. I have embraced kate mosses view " nothing tastes as good as being thin" (apart from wolf Blass chardonnay, crisps and dips and cheesecake! Oh dear!) onwards and downwards!

 

[Scandichic]

Scandi - In my experience, it takes our bodies a little while to catch up with our weight loss. In other words, if you were to stop losing weight now, your body shape would continue to modify for a little while afterwards.

I seem to have managed to halt my weight loss now, but I am certainly thinner than when I came home; which will be a topic of tense discussion when my OH gets here. Thankfully, the scales there have a memory which will help with my argument.

I'm getting there - just a bit to go! Size 16 jeans are now falling down without a belt! Have got a sz 14 too but they fit like sz 16. Don't think I'll make my 11 stone target by Christmas as weight loss plateaus but still look a **** sight better and it is good to buy stuff from the shops again.

 

[Scandichic]

Scandichic
I am sorry if this response is slightly of topic but your daughter does not need to have excessive starchy carbs before testing. There is guidance on how much she needs to have in order to have a meaningful blood test for diagnosis. Search on the coeliac society website where you will find lots of information on diagnosis and lots of advice if you prefer to keep her away from wheat based goods.

Good Luck and I hope your daughter keeps well.

Thank you! I'm going to have a look as it would be nice to know one way or another. She generally now eats lchf but has a packet of crisps and a biscuit in her lunch box.

 

[bigtimejohnnypotatoes]

Rarely do we have a thread other than LCHF that gets so many people riled up and posting their views on the diet. Douglas seems to be one of the very few who is brave enough to say that he does something different to LCHF so good for him. Maybe it is time for those who do follow different diets but keep quiet about it to feel they can come out of the closet and tell us about them without being knocked back as doing something wrong. It seems we are only interested in what people have to say about their diet as long as it is LCHF and any other ways are dismissed as not being worth doing or listening to Do we think that is the way the forum should be no one should feel they can't say what they are doing

hmmm i wonder why there are more voices advocating reducing carbs rather than reducing fats? its almost as if they know something we don't huh, almost like reducing the carbs has helped them or something?

 

[jack412]

Well I was feeling pretty good having lost 3 stone 10lbs but daughter has just taken a piccie of me from the side holding one of our new pets (2 rats who are very cute, very gentle and very loving which is perfect for our kids) from the side and I guess it must be just an unflattering angle still got 1 stone 5 to get to original goal but probably need to make that 2 stone 5

I never trust them, in a photo I look like a bald fat 60 yr old..obviously this isn't true..come to think of it, I don't trust mirrors either

 

[Scandichic]

I never trust them, in a photo I look like a bald fat 60 yr old..obviously this isn't true..come to think of it, I don't trust mirrors either

I love our mirror as it makes people look thinner than reality. Marks and Spencer's mirror, on the other hand, makes me look like I ought to get a part in the hobbit.

 

[Kat100]

annie that is not the case. Yes, lots of people do eat lchf but most of us are happy to live and let live. @sanguine has made that point in this thread and so have I. It pleases me when someone gets control of their weight and bs or whatever it is they need to get control of. @douglas99 and I exchange posts fairly regularly and we have completely different ways of doing things yet he always encourages me and I encourage him. I have exchanged posts with @Kat100 who doesn't eat the same as me either but is extremely kind and supportive. If I feel someone posts something which is uninformed or unbalanced then I will challenge them as indeed I would expect someone to challenge me if I did/do the same.

Hi @Scandichic ...I agree with that we don't eat the same , but we do over lap on some foods yummie ..the chocolate !!!!..I have yet to make your mug cake ... All good learning being different I always think ...
We just have our different ways .... Never had a disagreement over it ....well only who gets the bigger plate little joke ...
Share and care is what you do @Scandichic ...always great to chat with you ...and to watch other peoples successes ...and we are reaching our goals but in slightly different ways ....and that is such a good point you make ...encourage and support ...today's motto ....
Well said @Scandichic x

 

[Kat100]

I'm getting there - just a bit to go! Size 16 jeans are now falling down without a belt! Have got a sz 14 too but they fit like sz 16. Don't think I'll make my 11 stone target by Christmas as weight loss plateaus but still look a **** sight better and it is good to buy stuff from the shops again.

You will get there

 

[pavlosn]

annie that is not the case. Yes, lots of people do eat lchf but most of us are happy to live and let live. @sanguine has made that point in this thread and so have I. It pleases me when someone gets control of their weight and bs or whatever it is they need to get control of. @douglas99 and I exchange posts fairly regularly and we have completely different ways of doing things yet he always encourages me and I encourage him. I have exchanged posts with @Kat100 who doesn't eat the same as me either but is extremely kind and supportive. If I feel someone posts something which is uninformed or unbalanced then I will challenge them as indeed I would expect someone to challenge me if I did/do the same.

Best post of the day in my opinion.

With all the arguing about diets and people standing their respective corners it is easy for one to overlook that the choice of diet is but a means to an end.

What really matters is controlling glucose levels and staying healthy.

The route we individually select to get there may differ but our desired destination is common.

Pavlos

 

[zand]

I'm not sure if this is on track but Izzy's first post in the thread starts


Denise Minger a (paleo blogger with absolutely no qualification but a lot of influence in the Paleo community for her tearing apart of the China study puts up a Devils Advocate account) describes here that there have been very good recorded results in respect to both the control of diabetes and CVD and kidney problems with the complete opposite to HFLC ie very low fat diets (10% fat) so necessarily very high carb diets . Personally, I've recently come across many people who eat in this way and are just as vociferous as those who espouse HFLC
. I would myself find this sort of diet hard, I don't eat like this and eat considerably more fat but I also would not like to eat LCHF if that meant 70%+ fat.. My own diet is far more influenced by a Med diet so maybe I just sit in the middle!
I offer it as food for thought no more, you don't even have to comment . But just consider, what would happen if someone suggested this on an opening thread as the way to go, what the reactions would be, would they stay here on this forum or go elsewhere?

@phoenix Hmmmm. Good question! Well since nearly all of us agree that cutting carbs to some degree is advantageous, I would think they would have a hard time here. I would listen. I watched the video and I'm unconvinced as yet because I don't see the logic, and when I don't follow the logic I struggle. So I suppose the conclusion to be made from the video is that LCHF works and so does HCLF, therefore it's the ratio of fat to carbs which is important and this needs to be as far away from equal as possible. I am not intelligent enough to grasp all of the video in one go, sorry, (the anti-depressants I am on are dulling my brain.) My own feeling is that the high carb diet worked because the people on it had an awful diet, possibly of a few thousand calories daily, before they started the trial. When you drastically cut any one of the main food groups then weight loss will occur simply because calorie intake will be less, and just as in the Newcastle diet it's the weightloss and particularly the loss of visceral fat that improves the diabetes.

My question to someone new to the forum advocating this would be:- Doesn't the restriction in fats cause malnutrition eventually? We know that restricting carbs doesn't do this as many people have been following LCHF for years. I would ask this question because I did my own version of the Newcastle diet and ate mainly veg for 7 weeks and had to give up because of severe pains, it felt like my body was drying out, even though I drank a lot of water. When I stopped the diet, in agony, I found the best painkiller for my painful bones was drinking cream! About 4 months after that I had a heart procedure where I was told that my arteries and veins were in good shape. I am therefore sceptical about the damage done to the heart by high fat alone. I was quite shocked that 2 of the people who followed the diet, and cured themselves of their diseases, then committed suicide. Surely this could point to the brain needing more fats than are allowed in the HCLFdiet.?

I am replying because I genuinely found the video interesting, not because I want to pick a fight. I am comfortable telling newbies about LCHF because I know it works. I would need more information on how HCLF works before I could fully take it on board and I would probably ask lots of questions of the new person, hopefully phrased as genuine questions and not an attack.

So to answer your question:- I think they would probably go elsewhere, which would be a shame, and if they really believe in the truth of what they were advocating then it would be good if they stayed. I'll listen to anyone's opinion because either they are right, in which case I have learnt something, or they are wrong and therefore I have stronger belief in my own views. I want to do what is best for my health whoever convinces me what that is.

Thank you I found this interesting, but now I need a rest.

 

[pavlosn]

I think what I find most frustrating about diabetes is the conflicting guidance about diet.

Not the guidance from other diabetics on this forum. I actually think it is a good thing that people have managed to gain control of their glucose levels through alternative routes. It presents me with more options to try, if what I follow at any point in time fails to have the desired effect.

What infuriates me is that scientists/the medical profession have failed to come up with a conclusive answer to the question of what diet diabetics should follow.

There is simply too much conflicting information out there. One study says one thing while another says another, to the point that one suspects that economic interests may well be affecting and influencing these studies.

I understand that carrying out controlled dietary studies on sufficiently large samples of the population for significant enough periods of time to make results credible and conclusive is expensive.

Surely though, the cost of not being able to answer this question, both in human suffering and in purely financial terms of the cost of medical treatment and lost productivity at work due to ill health, must be greater.

It is a source of great frustration to me personally, that what I empirically find I have to do in order to keep my glucose levels in check, consume less carbs, goes against the currently accepted medical recommendation of taking most of my calories from carbs.

I want to believe in what my doctor asks me to do.

I need to believe in what my doctor asks me to do.

I am not medically trained and he is after all.

But I will not follow advise that my own body is telling me is wrong.

Surely it is time that the powers that be and the medical establishment got their acts together and applied the necessary resources to finally provide us with a definitive answer of what makes up a healthy diet, for the wider population in general and for diabetics in particular.

Pavlos

 

[AnnieC]

annie that is not the case. Yes, lots of people do eat lchf but most of us are happy to live and let live. @sanguine has made that point in this thread and so have I. It pleases me when someone gets control of their weight and bs or whatever it is they need to get control of. @douglas99 and I exchange posts fairly regularly and we have completely different ways of doing things yet he always encourages me and I encourage him. I have exchanged posts with @Kat100 who doesn't eat the same as me either but is extremely kind and supportive. If I feel someone posts something which is uninformed or unbalanced then I


My point Scandichic is that although as you say some members do say they have a different way of doing it and most members are very kind and supportive of everyone and that is good but some members have had the experience of getting upsetting and even some really nasty responses when they have said they do something different to LCHF. What kind of people attack someone just because they are doing something different to them is that the sort of forum we want Usually it is the low fat diet that gets the most negative messages and some here cannot grasp the concept that some people simply do not like or want to eat fat but if it works for them that is all that matters and we should be happy for them No one should be attacked for doing a diet in a different way to others they should be able to talk freely about it on here and we should respect them... as you say live and let live