FREESTYLE LIBRE ON SALE!!!!

[Sideburnt]

I actually take great offence to that. I am anything but lazy with my control. I maintain an hba1c in the 6s through consistent exercise, carb counting and monitoring the effects of food. I basal test regularly to ensure my settings are correct. I work hard, I just keep my targets realistic.

It is unfortunate that you've had complications, but until you know full circumstance you can't say keeping my BG below 8 is lazy.

Hello
A few of us, including me, found it took a few days to settle. Abbott told me it's because ur arm is effectively treating the foreign object as an injury and sending fluid to it. After a day (or 3) it should settle and each time will settle quicker

I wonder if it would be worth people putting the sensor on and not scan it with the reader for 24h, this should allow the sensor to settle down before starting the 14 day use countdown. Maybe :/

 

[tim2000s]

@imgr There are quite few discussions on the facebook page for Libre about parents putting the sensors on other parts of their children's body. I'd go and take a look before doing it, but there don't seem to be huge issues with it.

Related to your comment about the fat on your arms, do you know what your body fat percentage is? I've had reasonably good readings, and mine is around 13%, which is considered to be on the lean side.

 

[tim2000s]

I wonder if it would be worth people putting the sensor on and not scan it with the reader for 24h, this should allow the sensor to settle down before starting the 14 day use countdown. Maybe :/

I have done this for my swapover today. The sensor went on yesterday at 3pm and the swap time is 3pm today.

 

[AlexMBrennan]

The sensor might have a built-in timer...

 

[tim2000s]

The sensor might have a built-in timer...

From the comments of others, the reader triggers the timer.

 

[igmr]

@imgr There are quite few discussions on the facebook page for Libre about parents putting the sensors on other parts of their children's body. I'd go and take a look before doing it, but there don't seem to be huge issues with it.

Related to your comment about the fat on your arms, do you know what your body fat percentage is? I've had reasonably good readings, and mine is around 13%, which is considered to be on the lean side.

thanks, I'll have to register with facebook. I've no idea about body fat - more around the waist since going onto insulin but I still have skinny arms and legs.

The sensor I have on is giving a consistent but acceptably low reading when fasting. It has taken 3 nights to settle. Very pleased with it this morning, My dawn phenomena was stopped with 7u of Novorapid at 8:20, a surprising large amount. Brilliant to be able to see how that 7u has stabilised things.

 

[logindetails]

I get my husband to put mine in for me. It doesn't hurt, but I can't make myself do it

Wimp

 

[igmr]

I just received a formal response from Abbot in regard to my problems with accuracy. Here an extracted paragraph.

"Let me also inform you, that as it states in the handout and on the website - to calculate the insulin dose the blood glucose test is necessary as the interstitial fluid glucose level may have about 15 minutes lag comparing to blood and might not be accurate enough to do so"

I'm not quite sure how this stacks up against the bold advertising claim of "you can do it without lancets". but hey, I only bought the thing to sort out overnight hypos which it has already enabled me to do.

Finger pricking rules for bolus and for driving then.

 

[hale710]

I just received a formal response from Abbot in regard to my problems with accuracy. Here an extracted paragraph.

"Let me also inform you, that as it states in the handout and on the website - to calculate the insulin dose the blood glucose test is necessary as the interstitial fluid glucose level may have about 15 minutes lag comparing to blood and might not be accurate enough to do so"

I'm not quite sure how this stacks up against the bold advertising claim of "you can do it without lancets". but hey, I only bought the thing to sort out overnight hypos which it has already enabled me to do.

Finger pricking rules for bolus and for driving then.

Before it went on sale I was aware of this, but then I did a lot of reading in the months prior to release!

 

[tim2000s]

Before it went on sale I was aware of this, but then I did a lot of reading in the months prior to release!

As was I. The marketing might have been a little overeager, but reading the available information, I felt that this was clearly stated.

 

[phoenix]

I found this on a French forum, there is of course no way to check it's accuracy and it may be a bit Chinese whispers!. I've translated it as well as I could.
http://forum.doctissimo.fr/sante/diabete/nouveau-lecteur-piquer-sujet_172956_1.htm

I just received a message from a type 1 friend who has used a pump for a long time and is under the team of Professor R, specialist in the artificial pancreas. She contacted the professor for advice on this unit, and sent me the response she received ... I 'm posting it because I am quite surprised at it
"Dear Madam, At the moment Abbott has targeted these new devices at type 2 diabetics. I suggest you contact Mrs. Dr. X who is currently conducting trials on this product The uncertainty /unknowns (les inconnues) about the accuracy of this device require caution for use in patients with type 1 in whom the blood glucose variations are much more numerous and fast. "
See for yourself what you think of the opinion of this professor, known for its work with DT1 ... I have had to delete the names of doctors in accordance with the Charter Docti, but I did a copy / paste of the email she sent me

I found it an interesting opinion , particularly in view of the mixed results people are having. I found it great but I probably have LADA and those of us who have a little insulin of our own may have fewer fluctuations .

It is certainly true that all the current long term trials in France (and the UK) are on insulin using T2s. (others elsewhere in Europe though are on T1s) There is also one particularly famous professor in France whose name begins with R who is a world expert on the artificial pancreas His hospital is involved in the T2 trials of the libre but are so are many of the major hospitals here (ie, it’s a guess but if it’s him, he has an expert knowledge of pumps/cgms and T1 and is/has been a consultant/advisor to Abbott and a whole host of other pump and cgm companies)

 

[robert72]

New sensor on - no pain and I didn't look at the needle. I wish it was so easy to get the old sensors off

Going to activate it at 1:00pm to check the time it finishes in 2 weeks.

 

[smidge]

I just received a formal response from Abbot in regard to my problems with accuracy. Here an extracted paragraph.

"Let me also inform you, that as it states in the handout and on the website - to calculate the insulin dose the blood glucose test is necessary as the interstitial fluid glucose level may have about 15 minutes lag comparing to blood and might not be accurate enough to do so"

Mmm...kind of missing the point. The inaccuracy of mine is nothing to do with the time lag. If it was, I should be able to blood test, wait 10 - 20 minutes and then scan and get pretty much an accurate result shouldn't I? Also, if I blood test and scan simultaneously and it's more than 0.9mmol difference I should see a diagonal or vertical arrow because in15 minutes it has to catch up which means it needs to move at more than 0.9mmol in that 15 minutes - and according to the manual, that means a diagonal or vertical arrow. I think people are focussing too much on the time lag when that is not causing the issue some of us have been seeing.

Smidge

 

[iHs]

Liftplus might work. I use it sprayed over Opsite to loosen the stickiness as Opsite is murder to pull off without

 

[igmr]

As was I. The marketing might have been a little overeager, but reading the available information, I felt that this was clearly stated.

I'm still learning.

I can prove a discrepancy somewhere around between 0.8 and 1.5mmol lower between scans and BG when fasting using 3 different sensors. Every time. That's not explained by moving levels as glossed over in the small print.

I can easily live with predictable differences once I understand them, its that understanding I'm pushing for..

Still, I'm in the minority on this so probably wrong. Not for the first time. I'll meekly slope off now and wait until I get to see my diabetic nurse next month. My thanks to those who have put up with my blabbing and apologies to any that I may have inadvertently offended,

 

[smidge]

I found this on a French forum, there is of course no way to check it's accuracy and it may be a bit Chinese whispers!. I've translated it as well as I could.
http://forum.doctissimo.fr/sante/diabete/nouveau-lecteur-piquer-sujet_172956_1.htm


I found it an interesting opinion , particularly in view of the mixed results people are having. I found it great but I probably have LADA and those of us who have a little insulin of our own may have fewer fluctuations

I think you could be onto something there Phoenix. I'm LADA, but my BG is pretty wild probably because my basal Is in a bad place at the moment and I haven't found the Libre very accurate. Although you're LADA, I'm guessing you have your pump very well tuned and so don't get the wild swings I get. If you look at Robert's profile, his BG is pretty damned perfect and his Libre has been mostly accurate. Maybe there is something to do with accuracy and standard deviation?

For all the issues, I am still finding the Libre very useful. I just wish I could speak with someone knowledgeable at Abbott to explain the issues and get ther take on what's happening.

Smidge

 

[robert72]

If you look at Robert's profile, his BG is pretty damned perfect ...

Smidge

Until he injected 11u of Novorapid instead of Tresiba

 

[jack412]

New sensor on - no pain and I didn't look at the needle. I wish it was so easy to get the old sensors off

Going to activate it at 1:00pm to check the time it finishes in 2 weeks.

I understand a 50km bike ride will loosen it

 

[robert72]

I understand a 50km bike ride will loosen it

Unluckily, I don't have a bike

 

[tim2000s]

Having read the french topic, it is quite an interesting point of view, especially as that isn't the way that it is being portrayed in the literature on the website. I have called and am emailing to garner further information relating to the test pattern that they have used.

On the call I asked about which diabetic type the meter/sensor is designed for. The guy on the phone really couldn't answer that question. His view was that it was applicable for all types.

My question relating to that French quote is why would they include the ability for a health care professional to set up the insulin calculator and allow you to enter insulin details if it wasn't designed to work on all types?

Watch this space...