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Doh, doh..............can't have no Dough. DOH

adrian207

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Rochdale
Type of diabetes
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Diet only
On Friday 14th Nov at around 5pm whilst watching Bambi on tv I felt a heartburn type pain across my chest which grew more intense over the next 10 minutes. Suddenly, out of the blue as if someone had poured a bucket of water over my head, I started sweating like mad followed by a slight fainting feeling. I called in my 17 year old boy who because of his Army cadet training told me to sit down and relax whilst he called for an ambulance. When the ambulance arrived I was put straight on the ECG machine and diagnosed having a heart attack. I was then rushed to Wythenshawe hospital where after numerous xrays it was clear that 2 of my arteries had collapsed and needed repairing with Stents...................Oh Woopee Doo. To cut a long story very short here, after surgery I was wheeled into a ward to recover but not after a blood sample was taken. Later that night I was asked if I was Diabetic as the results of the blood test had come through and my sugar count was abnormally high at 27, to which I replied "as far as I'm aware I'm not". Welcome to the world of Diabetes!! For the length of my stay in hospital which was 3 nights, I was continuously monitored every 2 hours with the dreaded finger prick sugar level checker (I'm sure those nurses were Vampires). Anyway I've babbled on a bit now so will close down and finish by saying, I am now at home monitoring my own sugar levels and pleased to say they are coming down. I am still experimenting with what food is good for me and what food isn't. So here's my first question..................Is honey ok to replace sugar ie on porridge and on toast (NO I don't put sugar on toast). I'm only asking as I was told in hospital that it was ok.
Well that's me done, so if there is anything else you would like to ask me, please feel free.
Adrian
 
Honey may be natural but it is still pure glucose. If you can, switch to one of the artificial sweeteners - aspartame is controversial however sucralose or stevia based sweeteners may be better.
 
Hi and welcome!

Blimey, what a way to get a diagnosis!! I hope you are recovering well, and maybe having to start learning about diabetes will take your mind off it a bit.

Honey is full of sugar. It may be natural, but it is still sugar and will raise your BS levels just as much, so no, your hospital staff were wrong. It is the same with fruit and milk, although small quantities might be OK but you would have to suck it and see by using your meter to test before and 2 hours after.

Have you been to your GP yet for a proper diabetes diagnosis test? An HbA1c?
 
Welcome to the forum you certainly have come to the right place,hope you are recovering well after your op there is lots of advice on the forum and I find members are willing to help if you have a question.
Take Care Andrea.
 
Oh dear you have been through the mill o_O
Erm, do you want the bad news, or the bad news?
The porridge and the toast are probably worse than the honey :confused: which is as bad as the sugar.
Hope you feel well soon x :happy:

Is it bad that your comment made me cry with laughter?
 
Hi, @adrian207 and welcome to the forum. @daisy1 will be along to give you good advice.
With your recent Heart problem you will have to choose carefully, a diet that suits both your Heart and Diabetes.
They should give you a "blood glucose test kit " for you to control your bg levels. ( if not it would be advisable to purchase one)
Please take your time reading through all the help and advice you get.
Best avoid all sugars and sweet things straight away until you sos things up.
As we are all different. the food we eat affects our Blood Glucose levels, trial and error comes to mind.
Best of luck and hope all goes well.:)
 
Honey may be natural but it is still pure glucose. If you can, switch to one of the artificial sweeteners - aspartame is controversial however sucralose or stevia based sweeteners may be better.

Tried stevia for my coffee and tea but it wasn't right; a kind of minty taste. I don't trust aspartame but sucralose seems pretty safe and it's quite tolerable in coffee and really not that much different to sugar in my tea (I take both coffee and tea black , so I can't comment on with milk cuppas).
 
There are many artificial sweeteners out there. Everyone has their favourite. However if you need a bit of sweetness in some of your food - the artificial kind is better for diabetes than honey or sugar.
 
On Friday 14th Nov at around 5pm whilst watching Bambi on tv I felt a heartburn type pain across my chest which grew more intense over the next 10 minutes. Suddenly, out of the blue as if someone had poured a bucket of water over my head, I started sweating like mad followed by a slight fainting feeling. I called in my 17 year old boy who because of his Army cadet training told me to sit down and relax whilst he called for an ambulance. When the ambulance arrived I was put straight on the ECG machine and diagnosed having a heart attack. I was then rushed to Wythenshawe hospital where after numerous xrays it was clear that 2 of my arteries had collapsed and needed repairing with Stents...................Oh Woopee Doo. To cut a long story very short here, after surgery I was wheeled into a ward to recover but not after a blood sample was taken. Later that night I was asked if I was Diabetic as the results of the blood test had come through and my sugar count was abnormally high at 27, to which I replied "as far as I'm aware I'm not". Welcome to the world of Diabetes!! For the length of my stay in hospital which was 3 nights, I was continuously monitored every 2 hours with the dreaded finger prick sugar level checker (I'm sure those nurses were Vampires). Anyway I've babbled on a bit now so will close down and finish by saying, I am now at home monitoring my own sugar levels and pleased to say they are coming down. I am still experimenting with what food is good for me and what food isn't. So here's my first question..................Is honey ok to replace sugar ie on porridge and on toast (NO I don't put sugar on toast). I'm only asking as I was told in hospital that it was ok.
Well that's me done, so if there is anything else you would like to ask me, please feel free.
Adrian
@daisy1 should be along shortly with lot' of useful information. Welcome.
 
Hello Adrian and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you like and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
There are many artificial sweeteners out there. Everyone has their favourite. However if you need a bit of sweetness in some of your food - the artificial kind is better for diabetes than honey or sugar.

Yes, it's pretty black and white, if you want address the condition seriously then you need to evaluate the carb load of everything you consume and honey, be it natural or organic, etc., is still incredibly high in carbohydrates and not just that it's the kind which will spike your blood glucose levels the fastest.
 
Hello and just saying welcome,I cant add anything to what has been said.
Sorry you have been so ill and I hope all goes well for you,take care.
 
I'm more likely to fall off it without the saccharine. I just can't drink unsweetened tea, and if I can't drink tea I think I would die. :(

I drink a lot of unsweetened Japanese green tea; it's really mild and you can cheer yourself up by telling yourself it has health-giving properties :) Fruit teas are very good too. I'm also drinking Bovril (chicken and beef varieties).
 
shocked.jpg OMG...................I've been eating the wrong things!! No wonder my BS levels are high. Thank you and hi to everybody that has taken time to reply to my first post, I'm well impressed :) and shocked to say the least. Whilst at hospital :nurse: I was told to eat at least 3 meals a day all of which had to have some form of carbs ie rice, potatoes, pasta or bread in them. So with this in mind a typical day would consist of a bowl of shreddies with milk and a healthy?? spoon of honey poured over the top. For dinner (lunch) I would have something like a tuna sandwich made with wholegrain bread and a scrapping of " I can't believe it's not butter". Then for tea I would conjure up a chicken with mixed peppers and pasta curry (the curry sauce coming from a jar...............just a third of a jar that is. Not a very good looking diet, is it!
However, I was thinking that maybe the carbs I was told to eat with every meal maybe to help with the heart attack side of my problems, I don't know, there was so much stuff being fired at me all at once, so I'm glad I've come across your site and hopefully will get the right information.
As for the honey, rice, bread, potatoes and pasta to the tip.png van of rubbish.jpg
 
I drink a lot of unsweetened Japanese green tea; it's really mild and you can cheer yourself up by telling yourself it has health-giving properties :) Fruit teas are very good too. I'm also drinking Bovril (chicken and beef varieties).
Ah, now Bovril, I never thought of that. Thanks Vit90, I will add it to my shopping list.
 
View attachment 8634 OMG...................I've been eating the wrong things!! No wonder my BS levels are high. Thank you and hi to everybody that has taken time to reply to my first post, I'm well impressed :) and shocked to say the least. Whilst at hospital :nurse: I was told to eat at least 3 meals a day all of which had to have some form of carbs ie rice, potatoes, pasta or bread in them. So with this in mind a typical day would consist of a bowl of shreddies with milk and a healthy?? spoon of honey poured over the top. For dinner (lunch) I would have something like a tuna sandwich made with wholegrain bread and a scrapping of " I can't believe it's not butter". Then for tea I would conjure up a chicken with mixed peppers and pasta curry (the curry sauce coming from a jar...............just a third of a jar that is. Not a very good looking diet, is it!
However, I was thinking that maybe the carbs I was told to eat with every meal maybe to help with the heart attack side of my problems, I don't know, there was so much stuff being fired at me all at once, so I'm glad I've come across your site and hopefully will get the right information.
As for the honey, rice, bread, potatoes and pasta View attachment 8636 View attachment 8637
you are going to freak, I know I would have 12 mths ago......not only is it cut some carbs, it's also eat some fats...olive oil and other healthy fats to replace the lost carbs
hopefully you have a few stone too many and you have time to get your head around it as you lose weight

as nuthead said..get a meter
blood testing

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14045524.php

http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm
 
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