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Small unscientific test on my non-diabetic hubby

Bluetit1802

Bluetit1802

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Hubby's normal fasting levels are low 4's. He is not diabetic.

Last evening
Half an hour after dinner. He had a lot more carbs than I did, including a pudding
Me - 7.8
Hubby 8.9

2 hours after dinner. He was half way through a bottle of Real Ale
Me - 6.5
Hubby - 13.1

It just shows what beer can do!
 
his fasting may be ok, but post meal seems high? how much carb did he have. 50-100g of glucose, over 11.1 is diabetic..over 11.1 at anytime is also a diagnosis that warrants a GTT
 
jack412 said:
his fasting may be ok, but post meal seems high? how much carb did he have. 50-100g of glucose, over 11.1 is diabetic..over 11.1 at anytime is also a diagnosis that warrants a GTT
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Doubt it Jack. He had 5 roast spuds, peas and carrots in his roast dinner, plus a Yorkshire pudding with butter and sugar on it,, and this first test was only half an hour after starting to eat. (an experiment for me as I've never done a half hour test)
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Doubt it Jack. He had 5 roast spuds, peas and carrots in his roast dinner, plus a Yorkshire pudding with butter and sugar on it,, and this first test was only half an hour after starting to eat. (an experiment for me as I've never done a half hour test)
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What was on your plate? His plate sounds like what I was used to!
 
I would definitely do some proper tests on him. Those post meal spikes are extremely high for a non-diabetic. Based on the non-diabetic Libre readings I've seen, only an entire bottle of Lucozade generated that kind of spike, and even then only up to about 11, which dropped off within half an hour. Half a bottle of real ale doesn't spike me up from basal (as a T1) as much as that!. :banghead:
 
There is about 10g of carbs in a pint of real ale and only 1g of that is sugar. The meal looks like a much more realistic cause of any spikes, though the ale won't be helping!
 
Your hubby is good letting you experiment on him,my daughter asked to test her which of course I obliged hers was 5.2 1 hour after dinner she was pleased and said she wouldn't do it again as it hurt more than she thought.
Now just need to find my very own
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His meal was overloaded with carbs. There were 35g of carbs in mine, we had the same items but I had very much smaller portions and didn't have the pudding. He was still drinking the beer when I tested him, and this was on top of the refined sugar on his Yorkshire. However, I will test him again under proper conditions. He has absolutely no diabetic symptoms, is healthy and well.

@Snowy12 he isn't good at all. I have only ever done one previous test on him, so 3 in all. He yelled every time he pricked his finger!
 
Bluetit1802 said:
His meal was overloaded with carbs. There were 35g of carbs in mine, we had the same items but I had very much smaller portions and didn't have the pudding. He was still drinking the beer when I tested him, and this was on top of the refined sugar on his Yorkshire. However, I will test him again under proper conditions. He has absolutely no diabetic symptoms, is healthy and well.

@Snowy12 he isn't good at all. I have only ever done one previous test on him, so 3 in all. He yelled every time he pricked his finger!
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Sugar on Yorkshire puds? I never use sugar when making them (or is he sprinkling it on?! :D)
 
First it was a finger prick not a venous test, a one off random venous test of over 11mmol/l was never diagnostic without diabetic symptoms.
The level that it is really worth looking at is the fasting since that is more highly correlated with venous blood .

Second the ADAG CGM study found 9% of their non diabetic participants went over 11.1mmol/l In the discussion they also mention another smaller trial where 22% went over this level.
It's something that is only being found now because the tools weren't available The conclusion suggests that no-one knows whether this is a problem for the individuals or not. Up until now trials that have looked at the outcomes on the basis of isolated glucose levels. ( I think they usually use HbA1c or fasting)
' If no adverse outcomes attend these periods of hyperglycaemia, our findings suggest that it is common for persons who are regarded as ‘normoglycaemic’ by accepted current definitions to experience transient hyperglycaemia during everyday circumstances '
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892065/?report=reader
 
phoenix said:
First it was a finger prick not a venous test, a one off random venous test of over 11mmol/l was never diagnostic without diabetic symptoms.
The level that it is really worth looking at is the fasting since that is more highly correlated with venous blood .

Second the ADAG CGM study found 9% of their non diabetic participants went over 11.1mmol/l In the discussion they also mention another smaller trial where 22% went over this level.
It's something that is only being found now because the tools weren't available The conclusion suggests that no-one knows whether this is a problem for the individuals or not. Up until now trials that have looked at the outcomes on the basis of isolated glucose levels. ( I think they usually use HbA1c or fasting)
' If no adverse outcomes attend these periods of hyperglycaemia, our findings suggest that it is common for persons who are regarded as ‘normoglycaemic’ by accepted current definitions to experience transient hyperglycaemia during everyday circumstances '
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892065/?report=reader
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Thanks Phoenix. You have put my mind at rest, but I will still do some more tests when he recovers from last night's finger pricking!
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Yes, sprinkling it on! We eat our Yorkshires after our meal as a dessert, with butter and sugar. Or at least, I used to and he still does!
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Never heard that before! Is that a Lancashire thing?
 
vit90 said:
I see :eek:
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My gran use to make fried bread with sugar as a desert when we were little. Guess they are both veriations on the doughnut theme.

Come to think of it maybe that's to blame for me ending up diabetic:-)
 
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thats interesting bluetit
i will now not drink stella lager at christmas
 
If Mr B was also "grazing" 9and/or drinking) all the way through these tests, it's not really a fair comparison to anything.
 
phoenix said:
First it was a finger prick not a venous test, a one off random venous test of over 11mmol/l was never diagnostic without diabetic symptoms.
The level that it is really worth looking at is the fasting since that is more highly correlated with venous blood .

Second the ADAG CGM study found 9% of their non diabetic participants went over 11.1mmol/l In the discussion they also mention another smaller trial where 22% went over this level.
It's something that is only being found now because the tools weren't available The conclusion suggests that no-one knows whether this is a problem for the individuals or not. Up until now trials that have looked at the outcomes on the basis of isolated glucose levels. ( I think they usually use HbA1c or fasting)
' If no adverse outcomes attend these periods of hyperglycaemia, our findings suggest that it is common for persons who are regarded as ‘normoglycaemic’ by accepted current definitions to experience transient hyperglycaemia during everyday circumstances '
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892065/?report=reader
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hubby would be in the 2 out of 80 group..wouldn't he? I think it warrants telling the Dr for a possible GTT
"80 people..Seven persons (9%) reached 11.1 mmol/l, ..with two individuals spending more than 1 h/24 h above this diabetic level."
 
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