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carb craving - late arrival :)

jack412 said:
@Snowy12 google diabetic pizza effect
with real lasagna you didn't test at 3 and 4 hr did you:banghead: :)
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No I tested 2 hours after should I off tested at the other times my reading was actually 6.4
 
Hi @Mike D

I've a couple of ideas that may help, a bit.

Firstly, what caused those cravings?
I've never known them come on out of the blue. There's always a cause. For me, any of the following can set them off:
  • Hidden carbs
  • Eating more carbs than usual
  • Stress
  • Cold weather (this may be part of my problem this week!)
  • Changing eating times
  • More physical activity, leading to
  • Going a bit too low with the BG
  • Eating lower fat than usual
Once you know what set them off, you are forewarned, for the future. And can hopefully avoid them.

Secondly, you can only rely on will power for so long. And if you have hit a carb craving cycle, then it is only a matter of time before you crumble.
Sorry, but I have battled the little b*gg*rs most of my life! and sooner or later, they win. Sad but true.

Besides (and this is the good news), there is a very quick and easy way of squelching a carb craving. Since I came across it, it has never failed me. And it is enjoyable. :happy:

Just eat fat.

When you experience the start of a craving, march straight to the kitchen and fall, face first, into something deliciously decadent. Enjoy. To satiety. And before you know it, the carb craving has just faded away.

The things that work for me are, in no particular order:
  • Fat bombs
  • Double cream
  • Coffee with cream
  • Steak with all the low carb trimmings
  • A low carb carvery dinner
  • A low carb fry up
  • A low carb hot choc
  • A 3 minute mug cake
If you are wary of all that fat, don't worry. This is a one off. Once you've found out what caused the craving, and eliminate it, you won't need to kill any more cravings.

And besides, you get to choose which fat you use. Homemade olive oil mayo or a teasp of coconut oil will work just as well as butter, or lard.
 
Brunneria said:
Hi @Mike D

I've a couple of ideas that may help, a bit.

Firstly, what caused those cravings?
I've never known them come on out of the blue. There's always a cause. For me, any of the following can set them off:
  • Hidden carbs
  • Eating more carbs than usual
  • Stress
  • Cold weather (this may be part of my problem this week!)
  • Changing eating times
  • More physical activity, leading to
  • Going a bit too low with the BG
  • Eating lower fat than usual
Once you know what set them off, you are forewarned, for the future. And can hopefully avoid them.

Secondly, you can only rely on will power for so long. And if you have hit a carb craving cycle, then it is only a matter of time before you crumble.
Sorry, but I have battled the little b*gg*rs most of my life! and sooner or later, they win. Sad but true.

Besides (and this is the good news), there is a very quick and easy way of squelching a carb craving. Since I came across it, it has never failed me. And it is enjoyable. :happy:

Just eat fat.

When you experience the start of a craving, march straight to the kitchen and fall, face first, into something deliciously decadent. Enjoy. To satiety. And before you know it, the carb craving has just faded away.

The things that work for me are, in no particular order:
  • Fat bombs
  • Double cream
  • Coffee with cream
  • Steak with all the low carb trimmings
  • A low carb carvery dinner
  • A low carb fry up
  • A low carb hot choc
  • A 3 minute mug cake
If you are wary of all that fat, don't worry. This is a one off. Once you've found out what caused the craving, and eliminate it, you won't need to kill any more cravings.

And besides, you get to choose which fat you use. Homemade olive oil mayo or a teasp of coconut oil will work just as well as butter, or lard.
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Thanks Brunneria.

ALL great tips ..... I'm afraid I'm still suffering from increased stress which I'm trying to control and it's pretty frustrating let me tell you. I mention that as if I had have had given in and got a high reading, it would just add to the burden..

None of those first mentioned bullet points (other than the stress) would be factors for the craving. It was just one of those things where I wanted to indulge but simply refused :)

Really appreciate the time you've taken :)

Mike
 
Mike

As I understand from other recent posts, you have just been to see your doctor, a visit that went well and you have given blood for analysis and waiting for results on Monday.

These results will not reflect anything you eat after you have given the blood sample.

And almost immediately you start having these carb cravings.

I wonder if psychologically the two events are linked?

Pavlos
 
pavlosn said:
Mike

As I understand from other recent posts, you have just been to see your doctor, a visit that went well and you have given blood for analysis and waiting for results on Monday.

These results will not reflect anything you eat after you have given the blood sample.

And almost immediately you start having these carb cravings.

I wonder if psychologically the two events are linked?

Pavlos
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Don't think so Pavlos. Haven't had them before and I'm guessing I won't get them again.. Interesting theory though :)

I'm supremely confident about what the figures will show. It's the BP which freaks me out .... that and this constant need not to face crowds when I can really feel the build up of stress. I just do not know where it's come from because generally, I've usually been pretty easy going.

That is the link I think .... something like T2 over which I do not have complete control (in a life where i generally did over most events) and it's now manifesting itself in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable .... one issue feeding the other I guess.

The only other issue is the morning readings (and I'm now consigned to it despite it's all LCHF) is where the 2 hour numbers are mid 7s or low 8s. but on waking, never over 6.2 and mostly in the 5s. At least the difference between the low and the high is always below 2.5 .... some consolation I guess

As you know with me, they always drop during the rest of the day are are most responsive to evening exercise. That's because I just learn to live with what I've got but after sleep and when I wake up, I realise what I'm saddled with ... just another day living with T2.

Thanks for your concern mate

Mike :)
 
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sounds a bit like depression/anxiety starting up, I'd get to the dr and a referral to a shrink/counseling before it gets a hold

as you know, your morning liver dump is a hormone thing starting around 4am..it will settle as your Insulin resistance settles, has the dr put you on metformin to help with it?
 
Not on insulin Jack and I'm just on metformin

Discussed it with the doc (and yep, he knows me well) and he's certain it's anxiety.. So am I

So yoga yoga yoga is the go for me

Cheers :)
 
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Hi @Mike D,

I think you have hit the nail on the head with your view on anxiety.

All the dietary advice in the world is not going to make up for the way that some people feel after a diagnosis. It shatters their confidence, makes them feel vulnerable and changes their thinking patterns. If someone had told you five years ago that you would get diabetes you would probably laugh at them. Sailing along nicely with a good outlook on life and then bang, this beast rears it's ugly head and changes how you live your life.

Some people carry on regardless and don't have any feelings one way or the other and just get on with it but for the majority of us it comes as a life changing event and we have to learn how to cope.

I am glad that you have a good Dr. who has recognised the symptoms and I hope he can offer you some CBT or similar. The yoga should help relax you and there are other relation techniques that you can try. Don't see it as a weakness as some do but rather as a natural reaction to an abnormal situation in your life

Don't get too hung up on your blood glucose numbers as they are not telling you that your control is not perfect but rather they are educating you. It is not an exam whereby you will be graded but rather a means to an end. Very few people achieve perfect numbers and if it stresses people as they struggle to achieve this then it creates another problem.

Take care,

CC.
 
catherinecherub said:
Hi @Mike D,

I think you have hit the nail on the head with your view on anxiety.

All the dietary advice in the world is not going to make up for the way that some people feel after a diagnosis. It shatters their confidence, makes them feel vulnerable and changes their thinking patterns. If someone had told you five years ago that you would get diabetes you would probably laugh at them. Sailing along nicely with a good outlook on life and then bang, this beast rears it's ugly head and changes how you live your life.

Some people carry on regardless and don't have any feelings one way or the other and just get on with it but for the majority of us it comes as a life changing event and we have to learn how to cope.

I am glad that you have a good Dr. who has recognised the symptoms and I hope he can offer you some CBT or similar. The yoga should help relax you and there are other relation techniques that you can try. Don't see it as a weakness as some do but rather as a natural reaction to an abnormal situation in your life

Don't get too hung up on your blood glucose numbers as they are not telling you that your control is not perfect but rather they are educating you. It is not an exam whereby you will be graded but rather a means to an end. Very few people achieve perfect numbers and if it stresses people as they struggle to achieve this then it creates another problem.

Take care,

CC.
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Exactly CC ... I reckon YOU nailed it and I am SOOO relieved you put into words the feelings I have. made me feel a LOT better just reading it, so bless you :)

Mike
 
Mike D said:
Don't think so Pavlos. Haven't had them before and I'm guessing I won't get them again.. Interesting theory though :)

I'm supremely confident about what the figures will show. It's the BP which freaks me out .... that and this constant need not to face crowds when I can really feel the build up of stress. I just do not know where it's come from because generally, I've usually been pretty easy going.

That is the link I think .... something like T2 over which I do not have complete control (in a life where i generally did over most events) and it's now manifesting itself in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable .... one issue feeding the other I guess.

The only other issue is the morning readings (and I'm now consigned to it despite it's all LCHF) is where the 2 hour numbers are mid 7s or low 8s. but on waking, never over 6.2 and mostly in the 5s. At least the difference between the low and the high is always below 2.5 .... some consolation I guess

As you know with me, they always drop during the rest of the day are are most responsive to evening exercise. That's because I just learn to live with what I've got but after sleep and when I wake up, I realise what I'm saddled with ... just another day living with T2.

Thanks for your concern mate

Mike :)
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Hi Mike, It's nice to see your are being very honest with yourself, your halfway there, when you are able to do this.

You mention the blood pressure being high, are you testing at home.

When I go to the doctors my BP goes through the roof. I must say since testing at home which was everyday, now once a fortnight. BP has dropped with weight loss, very noticeably.

Testing at home, I have tested sometimes at very high levels, but have been able to concentrate and retest & retest again concentrating on relaxing and getting rid of some of my own anxiety over high BP. And it works.

The yoga should help, I'm trying to read a book not got very far yet called 'Mindfullness for Health' by Vidyamala Burch & Danny Penman, it all abot get you mind into a relaxed stated as it states Relieving Pain, Reducing Stress and restoring Wellbeing.

Neil
 
daddys1 said:
Hi Mike, It's nice to see your are being very honest with yourself, your halfway there, when you are able to do this.

You mention the blood pressure being high, are you testing at home.

When I go to the doctors my BP goes through the roof. I must say since testing at home which was everyday, now once a fortnight. BP has dropped with weight loss, very noticeably.

Testing at home, I have tested sometimes at very high levels, but have been able to concentrate and retest & retest again concentrating on relaxing and getting rid of some of my own anxiety over high BP. And it works.

The yoga should help, I'm trying to read a book not got very far yet called 'Mindfullness for Health' by Vidyamala Burch & Danny Penman, it all abot get you mind into a relaxed stated as it states Relieving Pain, Reducing Stress and restoring Wellbeing.

Neil
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Hi Neil

Nope, no homes testing just yet. Gotta investigate further and might decide when I get my results tomorrow our time.

Thanks for your honesty and the tips :) I'll get there ... just keep calm and breathe ... now where have I heard that before ?

Mike
 
Mike D said:
Thanks for the temptation :) NOT :banghead:

Yet another meal I would kill for right now .... a pizza or a lasagne. You are a cruel person NH :)
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@Mike D I make a beef lasagne in exactly the same way I would normally except I replace the pasta sheets with sliced celeriac and/or spinach layers. I make the cheese sauce with cream instead of milk and seem to be able to tolerate the small amount of flour used in the sauce. No need to deprive yourself - just adapt it slightly
 
Thanks Diana :)

I love lasagne but that sounds like a nice twist on it :)

Mike
 
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