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vanilla1

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Hi there, I'm very new to all this, but started on a low carb high fat diet some 4 weeks ago to try and get my blood sugar down to a sensible level. I am trying very hard not to go above 20 to 25 carbs a day, so could anyone please explain to me whether I should be using Carbs or Net Carbs when totalling up the food that I am eating. For example an avocado is 17 but the fibre is 13 so should I be adding 17 carbs or 4 carbs. Makes a big difference when the daily total is only 20.

Many thanks for any help on this.
 
Hi Vinilla,
I am good with 30g of carbs a day. But I eat to my meter .. I total the full carb numbers. @daisy1 should be along soon with your welcome pack
 
if you are in the UK, total carbs is what you count, the fibre has already been taken off...net carbs is USA where total carbs include fibre...so you need to know what system is used
avocado is 4g carb that you count
 
Hi Vanilla.
Weccome.
You will get lots of help on the forum.
I eat about 50g a day but we are all different,I am not trying to lose weight.
 
@vanilla1

Hello Vanilla and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you like and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
if you are in the UK, total carbs is what you count, the fibre has already been taken off...net carbs is USA where total carbs include fibre...so you need to know what system is used
avocado is 4g carb that you count

Well that is wonderful news for me. I have been using My Fitness Pal to calculate everything, which I think is an American website. Do you know of a U.K. site that would give me the total carbs.
 
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i would use a yank site to double check your food list on mfp, a lot of uk just copy and don't do the fibre right anyway
https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/food/avocado/carbohydrate



depending how the page is displayed.. eg
https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/usda/avocados
you may need to click view more avocados nutritional info
and then click total carbs
Thanks for those links - I've had a look at fatsecret.com and I think this is going to help me a lot. Do you know if mfp is a U.K. site or American, because it lists an avo as 17?
 
Thanks for those links - I've had a look at fatsecret.com and I think this is going to help me a lot. Do you know if mfp is a U.K. site or American, because it lists an avo as 17?
it's a user input data base, so you are going to find all sorts of stuff and you should double check ..
the truth is you will have your 20 go-to meals and once they are counted is 95% of your diet
 
Thanks for those links - I've had a look at fatsecret.com and I think this is going to help me a lot. Do you know if mfp is a U.K. site or American, because it lists an avo as 17?

MFP is used by people from all over the world. As Jack says, the users enter the data. You should always double check. Many entries are clearly incorrect. Also never trust the vitamin and mineral entries. Most foods can be found on manufacturer's/growers websites. Tesco website is also a good one.

A whole avocado is about 3g carbs, 287 calories, 2g protein, 30g fat, 7g saturated fat, 7g fibre. (Taken from the book Carbs and Cals)
 
Are you injecting?
I am T2 non injecting eat lchf but don't carb count. I just avoid sugar and starchy carbs. :)
 
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