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One year on from more fat

If your WBC is off the scale high, what are they doing about it? That is an inflammation marker, especially if neuts are also up. Do you mean MCV? (mean corpuscular volume)
 
donnellysdogs said:
Take one a day cod liver oil tablets daily too!!
The odd thing too is that now mt total white cell count is off the scale high too and the MPV and neutrophil. They were always high normal but now OTT too. Roll on August for my next 6 month test.

GP is phoning hubby tonight ref his cholesterol. Think my consultant is just going to be mad at me...she know I increased my fat and told me to be sensible!!!!

Actually just noticed on hubbys form it gives details of the fasting freideald equation on his form, but on mine it doesn't so perhaps they used a non fasting random test on me??? Could that be possible?? Even though I did fast?

Still doesn't equate for the rises though!!
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eating carbs and fat will make you sick
there are people here eating what some say is a ridiculous amount of fat and their cholesterol is fine
I would definitely watch this video and the other two if you want to
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BFRi-nH1v8


www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zoDsVimyw
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BY4fyLvZc
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I think what this highlights is that you should eat what you feel happy eating and maintaining control with. We'll all die eventually, so lets enjoy ourselves while on the journey!
 
Bluetit1802 said:
If your WBC is off the scale high, what are they doing about it? That is an inflammation marker, especially if neuts are also up. Do you mean MCV? (mean corpuscular volume)
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Total white cell count now 13.1 (max 11.0)
Mean platelet volume 12.2 (max 11.0)
Neutrophil count 9.1 (max 7.5)
MCV normal

The only action taken is to file them asay as normal. Except my hba which was 44... To see DSN at GP as too high. Consultant will tell me off for being too low!!

All were average two points below previously..
 
phoenix said:
I agree with Tim about looking at the type of fats you are eating. I don't agree with those who suggest that saturated fats don't raise LDL.There is a lot of evidence that they do, especially in those who are genetically predisposed to do so.

There aren't simple answers; except perhaps changing fat sources and making sure that you have a good fibre intake. The Med diet isn't low fat but it isn't immensely high either (about 40%) and most of the fats come from olive oil and other plant sources, together with small amounts of cheese and meat (not milk and cream , many more people in these areas are lactose intolerant and can only eat small amounts in a fermented state)

I've been trying to write a blog post on this for a week or so. I might get it finished one day. It's a subject that keeps coming up and it's not something you can write about in a few words

Here's something about one gene and how it and diet interact to effect cholesterol levels.(and that is just one gene, albeit one we know quite a lot about)
http://www.gbhealthwatch.com/GND-High-Cholesterol-APOE.php

I've also com eacross this, from Dr Dayspring a fairly eminent lipidologist . He is commenting on a low carbing dietitian's blog . She had written about the rise in cholesterol that she had seen on a low carb ketogenic diet
Sorry, It isn't easy to read and took me a long time to get through I'm sure that he is trying to explain in simple words but he doesn't always succeed. I also know that most of us will not have access to all the different tests mentioned so some of it isn't relevant.There is though quite a lot about the significance of the results that we do have access to.
Lipid Changes on a Very-Low-Carb Ketogenic Diet: My Own Experience
Authors:
Franziska Spritzler, RD, CDE
Thomas Dayspring, MD, FACP, FNLA
http://www.lecturepad.org/pdf/Lipid_Changes_on_a_VLCKD_Blog_Post.pdf
To read it , its a well to have a converter handy since cholesterol and trigs are recorded in mg/dl and there is a different conversion factor for each.
At one point Franziska writes of her levels rising to
'a total cholesterol of 300 mg/dl (7.75mmol/l)' and later to 336mg/dl (8.6 mmol/l)
Over 10 months her total and LDL cholesterol both increased by 100mg/dl ie 2.6 mmol/l
http://www.onlineconversion.com/cholesterol.htm
also don't try putting your values into the formula he gives.You would have to convert them to mg/dl first.
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this study said half when up and half went down in LDL
www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zoDsVimyw
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jack412 said:
eating carbs and fat will make you sick
there are people here eating what some say is a ridiculous amount of fat and their cholesterol is fine
I would definitely watch this video and the other two if you want to
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BFRi-nH1v8


www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zoDsVimyw
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BY4fyLvZc
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No way do either of us too many carbs...max hubby has is 50 even on the days he has his sandwich at work. Mine in particular average out about 25 inc veg/salad but not the 1pt milk approx I have. I couldn't have less unless I ate nothing.
 
I know my thyroid is ok but wonder if my hubbys is under acting as he is cold more and sometimes tired... And this I think can raise cholesterol?

He does work hard and also does a minimum of 18000 steps a day alone just at work, then does circuit training twice a week and gym twice a week. He thought that coldness was because he no longer having blubber of a whale or polar bear!!!
 
Simon84 said:
should we realy worry about the numbers tho if u say u actually feel better since u ate more fat?
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I think that we do have to concern because we can't actually see the internal organs and as much as brain and legs feel better for me I (we) have a lot of other major organs to consider. Its no good getting a healthy brain if you're killing your heart!! So I am concerned and it doesn't go away...
 
donnellysdogs said:
No way do either of us too many carbs...max hubby has is 50 even on the days he has his sandwich at work. Mine in particular average out about 25 inc veg/salad but not the 1pt milk approx I have. I couldn't have less unless I ate nothing.
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I'm guessing so ask your Dr..
..well it's not carbs..I'm at a loss why the trigs went up on both you and your husband and is what I think is wrong
have you changed your diet to include fructose, fruit smoothies..something with corn syrup in it?

tigs fall and HDL rise on LCHF..total cholesterol and LDL can go up or down a bit
the white cell count could be an infection
 
donnellysdogs said:
Whatbwould other people do in our situation?
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Firstly, without a full breakdown of your own, you're looking for a solution to a potential issue about which you don't know all of the relevant information.

I'll do my usual here, and suggest you watch my favourite YouTube from Professor Sikaris, then ask you to watch it again and do some thinking before deciding on your next steps. I'm not saying this guy is all-seeing, all-knowing, but he certainly has interesting viewpoints on lipids in conjunction with a low carb lifestyle. He has lots of similar/related videos too.

 
donnellysdogs said:
Have just printed off food shopping list for a low carb med diet so gurss I will try this...
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make sure it's the old med diet, it is very high in veg and beans.. meats, pasta/starch is a small entree size..when the italians went to america they could afford to eat what they use to have as a treat and got sick and fat
American diabetic association
Position Statement
http://www.professional.diabetes.org/admin/UserFiles/0 - Sean/dc132042 FINAL.pdf

Evidence is inconclusive for an ideal amount of total fat intake for people with diabetes;
therefore, goals should be individualized; fat quality appears to be far more important than quantity.

In people with type 2 diabetes, a Mediterranean-style, MUFA-rich [mono fat-rich] eating pattern may benefit glycemic control and CVD risk factors and can therefore be recommended as an effective alternative to a lower-fat, higher-carbohydrate eating pattern.
 
jack412 said:
I'm guessing so ask your Dr..
..well it's not carbs..I'm at a loss why the trigs went up on both you and your husband and is what I think is wrong
have you changed your diet to include fructose, fruit smoothies..something with corn syrup in it?

tigs fall and HDL rise on LCHF..total cholesterol and LDL can go up or down a bit
the white cell count could be an infection
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No literally nothing else in diet.. Except frying with coconut oil.

No smoothies, no fruit juice. We have no biscuits, cakes, crisps or chocolate etc. everything is double checked for hydrogenated fat, corn syrup etc but literally the only product that is not home made as such is quiche. Its embaressing when friends come round because I have nothing to offer anybody ever such as a cake or biscuits!! I have 3/4 pack of rich tea as a hypo aid after glucose if necesssary. Thats it.
 
@donnellysdogs ....... You are not the only one that has found eating nuts, cheese etc causing higher cholesterol levels. Mine have as well so I am now omitting the nut porridge and leaving off the cheese and other fat a bit. I found that although my bg levels didnt swing much at all with eating less carb, my bodyweight started to increase so as I wanted to stay a size 12 and not a size 14, I spoke to someone who told me that I was eating too many calories from the butter, nuts, cheese, full fat yogurt and to cut back . Ive now lost a bit of weight so can still get into the clothes that I have. I still low carb but cut back on the fat. I am now taking a statin again ( I did stop it last summer as thought I wouldnt need it anymore eating low carb) 3 times per week (low dose one) and havent experienced any side effects as yet. My leg cramps that I had last year were due to me being deficient in vit D but once I had a vit D injection done, they slowly stopped. If my leg cramps come back to keep me awake, then I will have to see if I am vit D deficient again and if so, what has caused it

As @noblehead always says...........everything in moderation
We will all be 'what we eat and what we drink'
 
DD @AndBreathe and I seem to be in accord. I really don't think you should panic yourself into doing anything drastic without a proper cholesterol/lipid breakdown. You need all the information. As they didn't do this for you, I'm sure they would give you another test rather than make you wait 6 months.
 
donnellysdogs said:
Wish I'd been eating that much fat!!

Introduced salmon and cod, haddock and pollock. I hated fish!!
Oh yes mayo too...

I just am totally stuck now.. For both of us. I can't have statins.. Feeling really down about this.. Don't know whether to go back to just having butter and semiskimmed milk like we used to but keep the fish. Red meat as well we went to non lean versions but only have this once a week.

Really, really stumped and fed up!!!
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tim2000s said:
I think what this highlights is that you should eat what you feel happy eating and maintaining control with. We'll all die eventually, so lets enjoy ourselves while on the journey!
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I believe they recommend lean meat 2-3 times a week. What about liver & heart etc, that's better than meat.

& tim2000 totaly agree, as long as it's good for you where is the harm except over doing it. It's all about balance & I think Trudi Deakin's new book is brilliant, explains & guides on what to eat & what with to gain balance.
If not got it already, here's the link
http://www.xperthealth.org.uk/shop/details/p/handbook-lowcarb-highfat-lifestyle
 
Hello All - long time lurker, avid reader but very infrequent poster here! May I add a comment to the mix? Only recently, I've been doing a bit more reading about Cholesterol - particularly the breakdown of results of tests - and I've read in various places (online diabetes blogs - by educated laypersons and medical people) that following a low carb diet will not only improve (for most people) LDL results BUT it will also change the size of the LDL particles - from very low density to high density. So it is possible that a seemingly "high" LDL result may in fact be less disappointing than at first thought if the particle sizes are more big and fluffy than not. Thankfully these days we're more likely to be given a breakdown of our Cholesterol tests, but looks like we need to be going one step further and having the LDL part analysed/investigated also. Just a thought. Good luck Donnellysdogs with finding the answer to your conundrum. It's horrid when you're trying to do everything "right" for your health but then some test result appears to throw a spanner in the works.
 
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