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Can I do LCHF with 85% fat without getting FAT

This morning..FBG 3.77 mmoles/l and Ketones 5.1 mmoles/l

Ketones @ 21.00 16/ April 6.0 mmoles/l

More results next week.
 
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Good luck. What kind of meals do you plan on eating out of curiosity ( scouting for ideas also)
 
bellabella said:
Good luck. What kind of meals do you plan on eating out of curiosity ( scouting for ideas also)
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Apart from the proteins [meat ,fish, chicken, eggs, cheese ] and some nuts,its all fresh vegetable salad and plenty of EVOO. Not a menu for most, but it gets the results for me and I am happy with it. Its also sustainable and thats very important.
 
Pasha said:
This morning..FBG 3.77 mmoles/l and Ketones 5.1 mmoles/l

Ketones @ 21.00 16/ April 6.0 mmoles/l

More results next week.
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This morning I tested again,ie after one week.

FBG, 4.16 mmoles/l

Ketones 5.7 mmoles/l[ fasting]

Weight 65.6 Kg ie down from 66.4 Kg last week..

More next week.
 
Pasha said:
This morning I tested again,ie after one week.

FBG, 4.16 mmoles/l

Ketones 5.7 mmoles/l[ fasting]

Weight 65.6 Kg ie down from 66.4 Kg last week..

More next week.
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What was the change in FBG and ketones?

<<- - Too lazy to scroll to the start of the thread.
 
Spiker said:
What was the change in FBG and ketones?

<<- - Too lazy to scroll to the start of the thread.
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Results from the morning after first day FBG 3.77 mmoles/l [ 68 mg/dl ]

"" "" "" " '' FBK 5.1 mmoles/l............................... From the evening before, blood ketones were 6,1 mmoles/l

hope this is clear.
 
jack412 said:
that may not be enough food if your ketones are that high. keto diets are normally around 2 and 3's after hard exercise

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Thanks Jack, although its only an experiment within a limited time frame I am keeping a close eye on the ketone levels.

I also came across this,

"The Ketogenic Diet"


, by Lyle McDonald, page 30-33.


You usually don't see issues until you go above 7-10 mmol/L and risk acidosis:

A major concern that frequently arises with regards to ketogenic diets is related to the slight acidification caused by the accumulation of ketone bodies in the bloodstream. Normal blood pH is 7.4 and this will drop slightly during the initial stages of ketosis. While blood pH does temporarily decrease, the body attains normal pH levels within a few days (21) as long as ketone body concentrations do not exceed 7-10 mmol (22). Although blood pH is normalized after a few days, the buffering capacity of the blood is decreased (21), which has implications for exercise as discussed in chapters 18 through 20. There is frequent confusion between the dietary ketosis seen during a ketogenic diet and the pathological and potentially fatal state of diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA). DKA occurs only in Type I diabetes, a disease characterized by a defect in the pancreas, whereby insulin cannot be produced.

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Ketoacidosis is defined as 8 mmol or higher and pathological ketoacidosis, as in diabetic ketoacidosis, can result in ketone concentrations of 20 mmol or greater. Ketoacidosis, as it occurs in Type I diabetics and alcoholics and which is potentially fatal, will not occur in non- diabetic individuals due to built in feedback loops whereby excess ketones stimulate the release of insulin, slowing ketone body formation.

I have a brother who also follows the LCHF diet [ he is not diabetic ] and he gets blood ketone results similar to mine. Maybe generic make up also has something to do with it .

Before I started this trial I was eating more carbs[ 14 grams] and less fat [ ca150 grams] and blood ketones were much lower, around 3, if I remember correctly. I also know that there can be a decrease in the ketones as the body readjusts to the new levels of fat intake.
I plan on continuing the experiment for another five days just to make sure that I have a positive result for the trial.

I will then get my blood tests done by my health fund and see how things are there. Safety in numbers, pun intended.
In the meantime this graph shows that my insulin levels are now quite low and I have become , as a consequence of this , an efficient burner of fat.

 
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This morning, day 11.

FBG 74 mg/dl = 4.11 mmoles/l

FBKetones 5.1 mmoles/l

Weight 65 Kg ie a loss of 1.4 Kg in 10 days, notwithstanding the increased fat and calorie consumption.
 
Pasha said:
Weight 65 Kg ie a loss of 1.4 Kg in 10 days, notwithstanding the increased fat and calorie consumption.
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It's big slices of high-fat Humble Pie all round for the "calories in, calories out" crowd. :-)
 
Re "calories in calories out" ,does anybody here know of some published work that does a materials balance analysis, on 'calories in calories out".

Could it be, that by altered biochemical pathways, more fats/ fat metabolites are excreted with the feces ?
 
Had my blood tests this morning, and these results seem satisfactory and typical for those on the LCHF diet.

Blood glucose 80 mg/dl
Total cholesterol 131 mg/dl
Triglycerides 69 mg/dl
HDL 62 mg/dl
LDL 55.5 mg/dl.
 
ahhh I am so confused, so I am doing LCHF and watching calories as well. Should I forget calories and have more meat??? @Pasha can you send me your meal plan and I will just follow that haha !!:)
 
Jillyp83 said:
ahhh I am so confused, so I am doing LCHF and watching calories as well. Should I forget calories and have more meat??? @Pasha can you send me your meal plan and I will just follow that haha !!:)
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Hi Jillyp83,

In the above experiment , I was just trying to see whether I would keep losing weight, even though I was taking in more calories.
Up till then I had always managed my meals by considering both macro-nutrient composition and total calorie intake.
My experiment was done on a very low carbohydrate and protein content so that I could fulfill the requirements for the smallest possible insulin reaction. This way I would get my best possible blood glucose values and also get the best conditions for oxidising the fats.
I dont know what macro nutrient composition you follow or how many calories you consume within this frame work, or whether you want to control weight, blood glucose or both.
In any event if you want more details of my experience I will gladly share them if you still wish, after reading this.
Re just eating more meat, that will probably be counter productive because of gluconeogenesis. Are youT1 or T2 and taking insulin ? I have no experience with insulin so that others here could help you out with that in relation to your question.
 
Thanks Pasha, I am type 1 on an insulin pump. I am looking to lose weight and reduce bloods. I lost 8lbs in a week so hoping the weight loss keeps up but any details of your experience would be great. I hate not knowing if I am doing the rights things or not.

Thanks a mill :)
 
Jillyp83 said:
Thanks Pasha, I am type 1 on an insulin pump. I am looking to lose weight and reduce bloods. I lost 8lbs in a week so hoping the weight loss keeps up but any details of your experience would be great. I hate not knowing if I am doing the rights things or not.

Thanks a mill :)[/QUOTE

Back in a moment with the gory details.]
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@Jillyp83 As a T1 on Insulin, you can lose weight eating a similar macronutrient breakdown to @Pasha . I'm sure his experience will help you, but with me, at 60g carbs per day, 200g of protein and the rest from fats, I managed to lose 8 or so kg, so I am convinced you won't have issues.
 
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