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caveland bird

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Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
I am t2 on 2x1000 metformina per day. It's been going OK since 2012 now everything fallen apart and fasting bg 240 and during day day 2 hrs after eating 400+
Feeling terrible and just need some support and guidance. Next 2 weeks am away working so really going to watch food consumption
 
Sorry to hear it has all gone wrong but that seems to be the standard for the drugs approach with normal diet. Met doesn't really do very much.

For those not using US units Your fasting is 13+ mmol/l and 400 mg/dl~ 22 mmol/l Those numbers are really high
What is your current diet? (why not provide us with exactly what you ate yesterday and we can suggest what we would and wouldnt eat and why)
Are you eating a lot of carbohydrates?
You may need to completely change your diet to correct it.
What has your doctor said about your results and has he order some new tests?
Do you have a lot of weight to lose? Doing so will only help. The enemy to weight lose are carbs!
 
Andrew Colvin said:
Sorry to hear it has all gone wrong but that seems to be the standard for the drugs approach with normal diet. Met doesn't really do very much.

For those not using US units Your fasting is 13+ mmol/l and 400 mg/dl~ 22 mmol/l Those numbers are really high
What is your current diet? (why not provide us with exactly what you ate yesterday and we can suggest what we would and wouldnt eat and why)
Are you eating a lot of carbohydrates?
You may need to completely change your diet to correct it.
What has your doctor said about your results and has he order some new tests?
Do you have a lot of weight to lose? Doing so will only help. The enemy to weight lose are carbs!
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Thanks for the speedy response. Yesterday melon and kiwi for brekkie with zero fat activiva yoghurt. Lunch was a couple of tapa I.e. 2 small pork meatballs.Serrano ham x 2 small slices approx 6 crisps 2 x diet coke. Main meal around 6 pm roast chicken breast mixed salad low fat salad cream lots of waterinimum 3 litres 2 teas 2 coffees. 1 small low fat rice pudding with cinnamon. Today weetabix skimmed milk.3 teas
2 diet coke. 3 litres water. Main meal 3 pm small cheese and ham platter. Fish grilled with handful chips. Egg custard. Supper 8 pm zero fat activiva yoghurt. Are you going to say not eating enough? Currently in Spain and its 40+ degrees and really struggling. Yes I need to loose 2 stone tops. Not fibbing. Your comments will be most appreciated
 
Hello and welcome,

What a lot of carbohydrates/sugar you are consuming! Have your medical team advised you to reduce your carbs?

What jumps out at me from your food, to begin with, is you are eating zero/low fat products. Have you read and understood the nutrition labels? They are full of sugars. Sugar is added to compensate for the removal of the fat to make them more palatable.
The rice pudding (lots of rice, milk and sugar?) and egg custard (flour, sugar?) will have done you no favours either. It seems to me you are concentrating on eating everything as low fat as you can and still consuming carbohydrates, and I am wondering why?

Potatoes, rice, pasta, bread, cereals (including Weetabix), flour, pastry, most fruit and also milk need to be watched very carefully. These are the main culprits in raising blood sugars. Reducing these items should help you lose weight without having recourse to low fat products.

I take it you have a blood glucose meter? If so, use it to learn which foods are affecting you. Test immediately before eating then 2 hours after your first bite. Look at the rise. Anything more than 2mmol/l (36mg) is unacceptable and means there is something in that meal that needs cutting out or reducing in portion size. Ideally, it should be under 1.5mmol/l (27mg). If you keep a food diary, and write your levels down alongside, you will see patterns emerging and will be able to judge which foods are suitable for you personally and which aren't (We are all different, with different food tolerances).

Diet is the key to control, and it would appear you need to have a good long think about yours. Changing it might make your life so much better. Good luck.
 
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Breakfast of melon, kiwi with zero fat yogurt - When they remove the fat they add sugar as they have taken out all the taste. So you had, sugar, sugar and sugar

Crisps just turn to sugar in your blood stream. Do you know if the tapa had a sauce and what that sauce was? I expect that that may have had wheat as a thickener.

Low fat salad cream will have sugar to replace the fat.

Low fat rice - rice will raise your blood sugar levels and low fat means sugar with it so this will send you rather high and with rice for a long time.

Egg custard is lots of corn flour and sugar so this will really not help and the chips wil raise your BG levels a fair amount.

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So carbs are not your friend I'm afraid so what you need to do is reduce them and the type you are eating. Why not try something like this and see how you get on:


Ok why not try bacon and eggs for breakfast with full fat plain yoghurt, Lunch have a meat and a large green salad and try some strawberries and cream (full fat) for pudding. For tea try and keep the starchy carbs down to a small amount as an example tonight I ate garlic chicken with the family with stir fry vegetables instead of the rice the family had. Get yourself some high content dark chocolate as a treat, some nuts (I eat tons and tons of nuts), May be for pudding have a small scope of ice cream if you feel you need it (but be aware this will raise your levels).
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Hello and welcome,

What a lot of carbohydrates/sugar you are consuming! Have your medical team advised you to reduce your carbs?

What jumps out at me from your food, to begin with, is you are eating zero/low fat products. Have you read and understood the nutrition labels? They are full of sugars. Sugar is added to compensate for the removal of the fat to make them more palatable.
The rice pudding (lots of rice, milk and sugar?) and egg custard (flour, sugar?) will have done you no favours either. It seems to me you are concentrating on eating everything as low fat as you can and still consuming carbohydrates, and I am wondering why?

Potatoes, rice, pasta, bread, cereals (including Weetabix), flour, pastry, most fruit and also milk need to be watched very carefully. These are the main culprits in raising blood sugars. Reducing these items should help you lose weight without having recourse to low fat products.

I take it you have a blood glucose meter? If so, use it to learn which foods are affecting you. Test immediately before eating then 2 hours after your first bite. Look at the rise. Anything more than 2mmol/l (36mg) is unacceptable and means there is something in that meal that needs cutting out or reducing in portion size. Ideally, it should be under 1.5mmol/l (27mg). If you keep a food diary, and write your levels down alongside, you will see patterns emerging and will be able to judge which foods are suitable for you personally and which aren't (We are all different, with different food tolerances).

Diet is the key to control, and it would appear you need to have a good long think about yours. Changing it might make your life so much better. Good luck.
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Thank you I had no idea that low fat equals sugar. I spend a lot of time out of UK and have never really been helped so your advice great
 
Andrew Colvin said:
Oh
Breakfast of melon, kiwi with zero fat yogurt - When they remove the fat they add sugar as they have taken out all the taste. So you had, sugar, sugar and sugar

Crisps just turn to sugar in your blood stream. Do you know if the tapa had a sauce and what that sauce was? I expect that that may have had wheat as a thickener.

Low fat salad cream will have sugar to replace the fat.

Low fat rice - rice will raise your blood sugar levels and low fat means sugar with it so this will send you rather high and with rice for a long time.

Egg custard is lots of corn flour and sugar so this will really not help and the chips wil raise your BG levels a fair amount.

----
So carbs are not your friend I'm afraid so what you need to do is reduce them and the type you are eating. Why not try something like this and see how you get on:


Ok why not try bacon and eggs for breakfast with full fat plain yoghurt, Lunch have a meat and a large green salad and try some strawberries and cream (full fat) for pudding. For tea try and keep the starchy carbs down to a small amount as an example tonight I ate garlic chicken with the family with stir fry vegetables instead of the rice the family had. Get yourself some high content dark chocolate as a treat, some nuts (I eat tons and tons of nuts), May be for pudding have a small scope of ice cream if you feel you need it (but be aware this will raise your levels).
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Thank you so much will try what you have suggested tomorrow
 
Yes, throw away all your low fat products. Change back to the natural real foods. Full fat yogurts (plain, not flavoured but add 2 or 3 berries if you wish), real butter, cheese, olive oil. Discard the Weetabix and rice. Then test, test, test each meal until you know what you can manage.
 
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