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When it all gets to much?

Part of the whole problem is that whilst having a poor diet and zero exercise is likely to a few pounds going on, although I know somebody who is an example of the complete opposite, carrying a few pounds extra, AKA superfluous adipose tissue (I think) is not always the result of over indulging. This is the problem with all the headlines, the implication is that all you over weight people eat too much and this is what happens, you end up with diabetes. While people read anything in most papers and take it as gospel is a complete mystery to me, the media is the last place to get the facts.
I may have found a quote from the International Diabetes Federation who say that 80% of diabetics diagnosed are overweight. It is a sad fact which I'm not even going to try and defend. However a 6 ft man weighing 82kgs is ideal weight and if he ways 83 kgs, he's overweight. It's even worse if they use BMI, even the medics think it's a bad way of measuring obesity.
No straight forward answers really, the so called facts just don't tell the whole story.
 
I also think that there are many here who, like me, are overweight through various factors, be it food, medication, diabetes etc.

At 8.5 stone in my mid 40's I had a heart attack. The majority of patients in intensive care were overweight. Going through my diet with nurse, her mouth was agog, I don't like coffee, I don't eat this, I don't eat that, I was a casualty of something, what?

For some unknown reason, two years ago I started to pile on the weight - I have never been a candy, sugar, cake lover and certainly had no addiction to sugar. I actually didn't eat allot!! I can, and will blame it on Diabetes! When you have a metabolism that is manufacturing glucose overnight, storing it in your abdominal area, you have to become knowledgeable in biology and nutrition. So, I'm afraid stupid comments about its just what you shoved in your mouth to give you Diabetes is just pure ignorance, I think the person who stereotypes diabetes with the obese over eaters is in for hard time - waving at@buckley8219 :blackeye:
 
How did this thread get so derailed into 'blame' the Type2 or 'have a bit of compassion' when the original poster was reaching out for people with a shared experience of exhaustion from the preacher's of your 'own' condition.... I wonder if Cancer sufferers have to deal with the same bull??
 
Gravity-Carb said:
How did this thread get so derailed into 'blame' the Type2 or 'have a bit of compassion' when the original poster was reaching out for people with a shared experience of exhaustion from the preacher's of your 'own' condition.... I wonder if Cancer sufferers have to deal with the same bull??
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Sadly, all people with long term medical conditions are typically offered a range of ignorant comments from unbridled blame (silly me, it's just devil's advocacy) to well intentioned old wive's tales.

I've read about people with cancer being told that someone's aunt tried a little-known herbal remedy that (allegedly) cured her cancer but the doctors are all in cahoots with big pharma and they want people to stay sick so that's why no one knows about it. If I had cancer, I'd be tempted to tell them where they can stick their aunt's herbal remedy.
 
buckley8219 said:
Arguably, the gain in weight could have also been the fact that you damaged your spine were no longer as physically active as before and as a result you had a daily calorie excess and gained weight.

If you've lost three of those four stone gained through changes in diet whilst still on medication then you've proved my point.

I don't think I'm being offensive and I am playing devil's advocate. These arguments form the basis for much popular opinion on Type 2 and will be the sort of thing we'll be hearing more and more of.
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We already hear enough of these arguments from people we know and from the media. Another person saying them isn't needed.
 
photognut said:
For some unknown reason, two years ago I started to pile on the weight - I have never been a candy, sugar, cake lover and certainly had no addiction to sugar. I actually didn't eat allot!! I can, and will blame it on Diabetes! When you have a metabolism that is manufacturing glucose overnight, storing it in your abdominal area, you have to become knowledgeable in biology and nutrition. So, I'm afraid stupid comments about its just what you shoved in your mouth to give you Diabetes is just pure ignorance, I think the person who stereotypes diabetes with the obese over eaters is in for hard time - waving at@buckley8219 :blackeye:
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I can see a nail being hit on the head. When I think back to when I first started to gain weight it coincided with an increase in my thirst. At the time the GP just said "do you still pee", daft question and daft doctor, especially as there was type II in the family. I wouldn't be at all surprised if I was starting to show the signs of insulin intolerance.
Makes you think, I wonder if there's a cheap test for insulin intolerance, for people to take before they gain the weight. Over the years far too many people have laughed and ridiculed me for eating too much when I was always quite careful (in my mind anyway). I was never a cake/biscuit/sweets/chocolate eater. I never believed in myself enough, not until I kept a very accurate food diary when I proved I wasn't eating much. Shame the medical profession doesn't have an answer.
 
buckley8219 said:
Yes it must be immensely frustrating as a Type 2, as sufferers are often painted as individuals inflicted it in on themselves.

But to play Devil's advocate...

I just don't buy the.. (slow metabolism, thyroid, genetics) means I can't lose weight and my actions and lifestyle choices have had no impact on my diagnoses as a diabetic.
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Unfortunately for some people it is true. I was told by a consultant whilst I was in my twenties that I was one of his few patients who could honestly blame their metabolism for their inability to lose weight, regardless of diet, partially because my thyroid could not make up it's mind how it was going to behave and partially because my metabolism was so efficient that when I went on a very low calorie diet it went into survival mode and started to shut my body down - must admit it's probably unusual for a doctor to have to tell a patient who is overweight and trying to lose weight to eat more food! Funnily enough since beginning treatment for underactive thyroid about 18 months ago I have manged to slowly lose weight. In addition with a grandfather, mother and brother having T2 diabetes genetically I'm onto a loser that way as well!

If you look around the forum you will note that there are, unfortunately, a number of other members who also have similar issues.
 
I am so fed up with the diabetes bashing headlines lately that I've stopped watching the news. Yes, we know there is an obesity epidemic but instead of blaming overweight people only, why not think about why they are overweight. Until fresh food is cheaper than processed, the powers that be stop advocating meals based on starchy carbs, and companies stop adding sugar to food that really doesn't need it, then the epidemic will continue.
I'm not entirely blaming other people, we choose whether to eat cakes etc and we know they are bad, but when it comes to low fat/healthy foods, we are being lied to. Sugar is added to compensate for the fat.
My personal story is that my father and grandfather have diabetes, and I have PCOS, so it was only a matter of time before I got it I guess, although I didn't do myself any favours with my poor diet. There are many reasons we get T2, and people need to be educated on those reasons, and the difference between T1 and T2.
Rant over!
 
Most fast foods are pumped full of things that make it taste better, preserve it longer and become moorish. Basically fats, salt and sugars. Also the fertilisers used are so toxic that foods have to be stored away from human contact for months before they are deemed enable. My issue is same as drinking and smoking. They are toxic to the point they are addictive and kill us slowly. BUT.... They make huge amounts of tax for the government. They bump the tax up on them items because they know people have to buy them to cope with there addiction. Same with fast foods. They addictive, easy access and they ready made so it's easy for everyone. The issues are that they allow these companies to make them money and complain that the issues caused cost the nhs to much! Seems greed has got the better of the people who control our system.
 
Greed is often the root of societal problems. I also think, and this is totally off topic, that we all have to work nowadays to make ends meet. In the past women did not go out to work and so had time to make healthy dinners whereas nowadays they are trying to be everything to everyone and convenience is paramount. I love cooking but my schedule means that I have to batch cook on a Sunday so that I have everything ready for the week, but I only have to cook for two of us, I don't know how mums do it all.
I personally think sugar should be taxed as much as cigarettes and alcohol.
 
Another factor is childhood obesity. Children cannot be blamed for the way they are fed since birth. Once they turn 18, it becomes their responsibility, but if you have been overweight/obese since toddlerhood, science tells us you have more fat cells than a normal person and physically your body is geared towards overeating and weight gain. It's very hard to turn it around but it can be done. Many of us are proof of this, even!

So the solution needs to include educating families where the parents feed their children too much and don't encourage and enable enough exercise.
 
buckley8219 said:
I just feel it's an area that many, many people have direct control over, but choose to proportion blame elsewhere.

If as a society we don't push against serious issues like obesity, what does the future hold? Is it gong to be socially acceptable and the norm for everybody to be obese.
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You feel like it's an area that many people can control, but unless you're living their life, how can you know? I tried for years to lose weight but it was a losing battle. The cravings for carbohydrates of all kinds were all-consuming and as my BG climbed higher the cravings just got worse. Within a week of switching to a low carb 'diet' I lost the intense hunger and can now easily stick to 1250 calories a day.

As long as doctors continue to push the Eat Well plate there will be thousands of people just like me, fighting a losing battle and spiralling into obesity and self-loathing.
 
I'm a teacher and regularly have lunch with the children. You'd be disgusted at some of the lunches I see! Jam sandwich on white bread, crisps, cake, chocolate bar and a biscuit!
That being said, the free healthy lunch that the government are providing? Not healthy! One of the most worrying menu days is pizza, pasta, sweet corn and cake. Everyday they get two starchy carbs and usually sweet and carb heavy veg too. Always cake as pudding although fruit is also an option. I have complained and the cake has been reduced to three times a week but even so!
 
Health officials and sociologists voice concerns about the effects of tabloids on the general public -


Research has consistently shown that worryingly, reading tabloid newspapers such as the Sun, Express and Daily Mail causes contagious fatalism, addictive irritable incoherence syndrome, an anxiety-inducing pre-occupation with other people stealing tax-payers money – though usually only the tax-paying poor – and a highly suggestible state, presenting with swollen spite, distended misery guts, clinical mucus retention, rash folk devils and suppurating moral panic. These symptoms usually precede the completely incapacitating open mouth of closed-mind syndrome, leading to premature, ejaculated brain death.

Sociologists have discovered that many tabloid addicts have nasty outbreaks of brazen neighbours, usually from other countries, or with profound and suspicious disabilities. Some poor and self-rightously outraged readers have lazy single mothers, suspicious-looking students, conspicuous suspected im.......................................>>>>>>>
http://www.dorseteye.com/north/arti...the-effects-of-tabloids-on-the-general-public


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JTL said:
Health officials and sociologists voice concerns about the effects of tabloids on the general public -


Research has consistently shown that worryingly, reading tabloid newspapers such as the Sun, Express and Daily Mail causes contagious fatalism, addictive irritable incoherence syndrome, an anxiety-inducing pre-occupation with other people stealing tax-payers money – though usually only the tax-paying poor – and a highly suggestible state, presenting with swollen spite, distended misery guts, clinical mucus retention, rash folk devils and suppurating moral panic. These symptoms usually precede the completely incapacitating open mouth of closed-mind syndrome, leading to premature, ejaculated brain death.

Sociologists have discovered that many tabloid addicts have nasty outbreaks of brazen neighbours, usually from other countries, or with profound and suspicious disabilities. Some poor and self-rightously outraged readers have lazy single mothers, suspicious-looking students, conspicuous suspected im.......................................>>>>>>>
http://www.dorseteye.com/north/arti...the-effects-of-tabloids-on-the-general-public


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LOL, I love it! Great post, JTL. Highly relevant to this and another thread where this attitude is being shown today.

I've just watched the doco on Britain's 70 stone man, which is showing in NZ at the moment. Having read about his background from a non-tabloid source, I have nothing but compassion for him, and anyone else who developed an overeating disorder after a traumatic event at a young age. The comments from his surgeon in the below article are spot-on, IMO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ds-fattest-man-Keith-Martin-dies-aged-44.html
 
CatLadyNZ said:
LOL, I love it! Great post, JTL. Highly relevant to this and another thread where this attitude is being shown today.

I've just watched the doco on Britain's 70 stone man, which is showing in NZ at the moment. Having read about his background from a non-tabloid source, I have nothing but compassion for him, and anyone else who developed an overeating disorder after a traumatic event at a young age. The comments from his surgeon in the below article are spot-on, IMO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ds-fattest-man-Keith-Martin-dies-aged-44.html
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There have been several of these documentaries recently aired in the UK, some have had very insensitive titles in the Channel 5 series Supersized. The tragedy of a life lost so young, Carl Thompson 65 stone died in his early 30's, even more heart breaking is their lives ended when they became set on that self destruct path.

In the Telegraphs article, "Mr Mannur supports new NHS guidelines which encourage doctors to suggest weight-loss surgery for anyone with a BMI higher than 30 and type 2 diabetes" Anyone else disturbed by this?
 
buckley8219 said:
Arguably, the gain in weight could have also been the fact that you damaged your spine were no longer as physically active as before and as a result you had a daily calorie excess and gained weight.

If you've lost three of those four stone gained through changes in diet whilst still on medication then you've proved my point.

I don't think I'm being offensive and I am playing devil's advocate. These arguments form the basis for much popular opinion on Type 2 and will be the sort of thing we'll be hearing more and more of.
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Have to pop your bubble I'm afraid as I didn't start on the Gabapentin till three years into my spinal problems.
Within weeks of starting it I ballooned.
I'm now the least active I've ever been but have lost three stone whilst being inactive ... ish.
 
photognut said:
There have been several of these documentaries recently aired in the UK, some have had very insensitive titles in the Channel 5 series Supersized. The tragedy of a life lost so young, Carl Thompson 65 stone died in his early 30's, even more heart breaking is their lives ended when they became set on that self destruct path.

In the Telegraphs article, "Mr Mannur supports new NHS guidelines which encourage doctors to suggest weight-loss surgery for anyone with a BMI higher than 30 and type 2 diabetes" Anyone else disturbed by this?
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Yeah I was taken aback by that. I think he's being extreme because he just signed off on hundreds of thousands of pounds being wasted trying to save a man who wasn't psychologically ready to comply with treatment: perhaps he felt guilty. I once had a BMI of 44 and would have been eligible for bariatric surgery if it had been funded, but I wasn't at all interested in pursuing it because in my eyes, eating less would not be as risky. I lost over 8 stone just by low carbing; I didn't even know about using full fat options at the time. Bariatric surgery is not for everyone, and I think when you get past a BMI of say 50, it's so risky and the recovery is hard. If Mr Mannur understood about low carbing, he wouldn't be suggesting surgery for people with a BMI of just 30. It's the atrocious NHS* advice that makes people so obese. :(

*The same sort of advice is given in other countries too.
 
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