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Downsides of low carb diet

SunnyExpat said:
I'm sure insults from yourself aren't very constructive.
What do you believe is being hidden, and what do you like to judge others on?
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As you have hidden your profile I have no idea what can be found there, only those you follow can see it. I only get ERROR.
 
SunnyExpat said:
If you're happy to drag out elevated levels at diagnosis, because you don't wish to accept any medical help, and decide to suffer possible damage from high blood glucose levels for a longer period, that's your personal choice.
I thought it was a better choice to use all the tools in a wider portfolio.
So initially, medical intervention was accepted, and a lifestyle choice was added to the solution.
After my levels were down to a very acceptable level, I could take a viewpoint that didn't include all the same choice of medicines.
I would guess I'm more hexadecimal in my outlook.
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So, how long, with your medical support, sis it take to reduce your levels to within the guideline numbers quoted on here?

Me? With pleasure.

I was diagnosed on 18th October 2013, from 5th November I was consistently in range, without medical intervantion, and I didn't start testing for about a week.

Sometimes, you make assumptions of people of whom you know nothing. Please don't include me in those assumptions, thanks.
 
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AndBreathe said:
So, how long, with your medical support, sis it take to reduce your levels to within the guideline numbers quoted on here?

Me? With pleasure.

I was diagnosed on 18th October 2013, from 5th November I was consistently in range, without medical intervantion, and I didn't start testing for about a week.

Sometimes, you make the most outrageous assumptions of people of whom you know nothing. Please don't include me in those assumptions, thanks.
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I believe Totto was referring to BMI, and I mentioned no numbers had ever been quoted.
I don't seem to have mentioned you at all, as Totto stated, I would guess your assumption is you were very, very borderline, and managed to 'be in range' in about 3 weeks, so others would be the same?
I would also guess others weren't, as you say, so fortunate, to be able to reverse their diagnosis in three weeks?

As BMI seems to have been mentioned, would you be prepared to share your view of your own situation with us?
 
Totto said:
As you have hidden your profile I have no idea what can be found there, only those you follow can see it. I only get ERROR.
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I would never consider myself so important as to need to feel I need to display myself to all.
If you don't like my posts, I have no issue if you simply choose to use the 'ignore' option.
The good part of any forum, is those who disagree, cannot make their voices heard to those who choose not to hear.
 
SunnyExpat said:
I would never consider myself so important as to need to feel I need to display myself to all.
If you don't like my posts, I have no issue if you simply choose to use the 'ignore' option.
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Sorry. I thought forums were about sharing.
 
SunnyExpat said:
I don't disagree with anyone, that's not really the point of the forum.
I have experience of my condition, if you disagree with what I say I have experienced as to the way I was treated, and now choose how to treat my condition, I can't really comment on that.
Possibly you choose LCHF as you only tool, and I choose a wider portfolio of options, and you see that as a disagreement with your choice, as you believe it should be able to suit me as well?
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You do exactly as you please. Personally I'm very pleased with my non-medication HbA1c of 33 on LCHF. Do I need a wider portfolio of options? Do I need to seek to achieve a lower HbA1c? I'm very happy as it is so for the moment the answer is that LCHF works for me.
 
Some people have bodies that respond well and quickly to lifestyle changes. Others don't. It's not a competition because we are not on a level playing field. We have no way of knowing what another person's physiology is like, and what other conditions they may have that are factors in their BG control. Even if we did, I don't think comparing ourselves to others is helpful. I don't see the use or avoidance of medication as a moral issue. It's a clinical one, and that means each person can decide based on their own physical needs.
 
Well said CatLadyNZ.

Diabetes is supposed to increase the risk of Alzheimer's Disease. Dr Neal Barnard MD says that a diet high in saturated fat increases the risk and Dr David Perlmutter says that a diet high in carbohydrates increases the risk. So I'm in the Worried category, thinking I'm doing the best for my body diabetes-wise on LCHF but am I doing right by my brain..
 
SunnyExpat said:
If you believe the majority of type 2 are of a BMI of 27 or so at diagnosis, I'm sure you are correct to believe that metformin won't help at diagnosis.
As I said though, it's possibly dangerous advice to others who may be the higher BMI range, and who may well be the actual majority in reality. Hence my suggestion that the individual's need should be addressed.

(As to And Breathe, I don't believe she has ever advised on her weight, height, or BMI in actual numerical terms, so I wouldn't presume to speak for her, possibly you should invite her input for a numerical answer?)
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Actually, along the way, I have quote numbers, often, but in the context of replying to someone to whom I believe that information could be helpful - perhaps because of a similarity to the other person's circumstances, or to a stated aim they have.

In your case, I feel somewhat disinclined to invest keystrokes into a post to have it picked over by someone disinterested in a positive view. Of course that latter statement is my view, but I haven't seen a lot to deflect me from that belief.



Edited to remove the name of a previous poster that many forum members did not agree with and suggesting that SunnyExpat and this member are one and the same.
 
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CatLadyNZ said:
Some people have bodies that respond well and quickly to lifestyle changes. Others don't. It's not a competition because we are not on a level playing field. We have no way of knowing what another person's physiology is like, and what other conditions they may have that are factors in their BG control. Even if we did, I don't think comparing ourselves to others is helpful. I don't see the use or avoidance of medication as a moral issue. It's a clinical one, and that means each person can decide based on their own physical needs.
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Clearly one of our challenges is that no two persons are the same, or will react in exactly the same way to the same stragegy. Some will show their own variation on a theme, and others will just not achieve the results of the original person (better or worse, lets not forget.

For myself, when I post personal information, or about results I have managed, I try to do in a way that might illustrate to others some things are possible especially when we (we = those diagnosed with diabetes) are often told we have been diagnosed with a lifelong, life-limiting condition.

I have absolutely no interest in make any post to hurt or damage another. That would go against my personal moral code and a professional oath to which I still adhere, even though I no longer practise in its arena or even closely associated with it.

When deciding where we set our our bar, in terms of goals, that is up to the individual to decide. Some will set a high bar, and others more modest, and I can respect wherever people set their bar. The pressures people feel to comply or otherwise are their own pressures.
 
Celeriac said:
Well said CatLadyNZ.

Diabetes is supposed to increase the risk of Alzheimer's Disease. Dr Neal Barnard MD says that a diet high in saturated fat increases the risk and Dr David Perlmutter says that a diet high in carbohydrates increases the risk. So I'm in the Worried category, thinking I'm doing the best for my body diabetes-wise on LCHF but am I doing right by my brain..
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I don't think anyone has done enough of the appropriate kinds of research that can answer that question. When it comes to Alzheimer's Disease, I think the doctors most qualified to comment are neurologists, and scientists who have researched the possible causes and contributing factors to the disease. I try to have a simple approach to health - all we can do is our best, with the info we have at the time. Worrying about what might happen in the future could contribute to stress, which does have an impact on health. So don't worry, be happy :)
 
Celeriac said:
Well said CatLadyNZ.

Diabetes is supposed to increase the risk of Alzheimer's Disease. Dr Neal Barnard MD says that a diet high in saturated fat increases the risk and Dr David Perlmutter says that a diet high in carbohydrates increases the risk. So I'm in the Worried category, thinking I'm doing the best for my body diabetes-wise on LCHF but am I doing right by my brain..
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i tend to heed all the advice, and decide on a route that seems to offer the best outcome.

So for me, I eat low(er) carbs, tend to avoid saturated fats, but am happy with unsaturated, particularly fish oils, olive oil, etc.
Then you have to contend with the farmed fish, and the contaminants in their diet though.
 
The downsides of a low carb diet? I have been pondering this for 4 days. Nope - still can't think of any that apply to me. :)
 
zand said:
The downsides of a low carb diet? I have been pondering this for 4 days. Nope - still can't think of any that apply to me. :)
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I have been spending a lot of time out and about recently, something seems to be happening most weekends now.
One downside is that the majority of street food is decidedly carb based.
So I either go hungry, pick at some meals, or try to walk it off, depending on the day.
 
SunnyExpat said:
I have been spending a lot of time out and about recently, something seems to be happening most weekends now.
One downside is that the majority of street food is decidedly carb based.
So I either go hungry, pick at some meals, or try to walk it off, depending on the day.
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Yes I found that yesterday on a trip to a footie match. I got around it by eating a big brunch (37g) carbs before leaving home and then having water until I could find some low carb fruit for my evening meal. I did have half a burger (no bun) too. I don't find it an inconvenience anymore. It's nice to be cutting out so many aisles in the supermarket, so on balance I'm happy.
 
If it's a full day, I am usually out about 9 ish, back in at 4 ish or later, so for me that's too long to go without a reasonable amount of food if I'm on my feet all day. My bloods are usually in the 3 to high 4's if I do, and I'm only happy above 5.
I will stop for coffees though, and sit down for a rest, but even so, I usually feel I need to eat around lunch.
And I can't be bothered with the faff of carrying a days food with me.
Plus eating the food is part of the day normally, so it can get tricky.
 
Well an easy way round the packed lunch problem for me was a lidl high protein roll, very filling and not much effort to prepare it as a sandwich type lunch.
 
For his birthday, I bought my husband a big 12v cool box for his car. It's really good, because it keeps things as cool as a fridge. He can take gluten free filled rolls and fruit with him when he goes to work. If we go out for a day, it's useful to keep water cold and any bits of food we buy.

But I seem to end up with pork scratchings or shell-on prawns as a snack. Fast food is carb heavy, most chain restaurants too. My mother was taken out to lunch yesterday and she says I wish we could do that. She suggested a vegan cafe but even though it's organic, I can't eat quinoa, spelt or lentils, for example.

I need to find a fish restaurant, perhaps.
 
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