Reducing BG levels

tristan

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hi all

Not been a member long. I got put on metformin at Xmas as my levels were in the high teens all the time. Since then I now regularly get figures around 8 with my meter. But can't seem to get them lower. I once got 7.2 but only once. Do I need to exercise more to jolt my body into lowering more. Or do I need to be even more strict with my diet

Advice required please

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walnut_face

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Hi @tristan would be helpful if you let us know what you eat on a typical day, remember the metformin does not make much difference to you BGL's
When do you take readings? Are these on waking, before,after meals?
 
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13lizanne

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Hello @tristan welcome to the forum I'm not sure if you have received the information that @daisy1 provides? There is a link to a low carb programme which I think would help you to get your numbers lowered. I take 2x 40mins walks every day, longer walks at weekends, holidays etc. And they definitely impact my blood sugar. I can drop 2 points between setting out and returning so I would advise regular exercise to be key in controlling your diabetes. Good luck!
 

walnut_face

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From your thread 2 weeks ago I see that you are on metformin. You are only 3 months in to your new regime, it is working, give it time. You may need to up the bike rides a bit or eat fewer carbs - or a combination of the two. Unless there is another problem you will see the numbers drop again
 
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tristan

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Just wanted some reassurance really. Yep all new to me. I have lowered my carb I massively now. And things are going well. Still struggle to find things to eat that are suitable. I was eating lots of fruit instead, and have managed to reduce this now due to natural sugar content.
 

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Just wanted some reassurance really. Yep all new to me. I have lowered my carb I massively now. And things are going well. Still struggle to find things to eat that are suitable. I was eating lots of fruit instead, and have managed to reduce this now due to natural sugar content.

This may help you find some foods that are suitable and those to avoid.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/foods#foodlist
 
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Art Of Flowers

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Avoid fruit. Strawberries and blueberries are not so bad. Avoid bread, breakfast cereals, potatoes, rice, pasta. Avoid fruit juice. You may find porridge raises you blood sugar. It does mine.

Blood sugar levels are often high first thing in the morning and lowest before your evening meal.
 

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@tristan

I am not sure if you have already seen this, but, as mentioned above, here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

David22272

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I'd just like to mention looking at resistance training. Google "diabetes resistance training" and you will find some sites indicate that there is a strong benefit to doing resistance training as well as aerobic training. Like so much on the web you will find differing opinions. Here is one quote in favour: "Furthermore, the effect of resistance training on A1C reported in the three RCTs (38,40,43) is comparable with that reported with aerobic exercise (1). ... Furthermore, fasting blood glucose and insulin resistance were reduced and lipid profile improved with resistance training but not aerobic training." The detailed information is found here: http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/29/8/1933. But make up your own mind after reviewing several sources :)
 

Kristin251

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Sometimes I think it's easier to say what we can eat on low carb than what we can't. The degree of low carb you want to go is up to you but if you want lower numbers then the lower the better.

You can eat all forms of protein. All red meat , all fish, all poultry, pork, eggs
ABOVE ground veggies
Fats such as avocado, olive oil, nuts, seeds, butter, cream, cheese , yogurt ( full fat dairy)
Small amounts of berries if needed

Protein should be kept moderate as excess turns to blood sugar. The formula is .8-1 g per kg ideal body weight. Seems measly but if eating enough fat it will satiate most people.

My diet is 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs. (20 or less per day). This formula keeps my bs stellar and my weight down and steady. Some prefer more carbs and can tolerate them. Your meter will tell you.
 

tristan

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It all takes planning doesn't it. I'm struggling with what to have for breakfast. Also when out and about where can I buy suitable food to eat from. ? Currently I find myself buying subway chicken salad bowls. I'm soon going to get bored of that. Also is eating pork scratching a good plan ?
 

Ultramum

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There is a thread in the low carb section called 'what have you eaten today?' I'd link to it but have no idea of how to do so on the app!

If you have a read of it you will find lots of ideas to eat for breakfast and lunch as well as other meals and snacks.

I often have omelette or scrambled egg with bacon and mushrooms for my breakfast. If you have a microwave then scrambled egg is super quick. I add butter and cream to the two eggs and sometime throw in some smoked salmon :)

Lunch - I have bought snack pots from supermarkets eg Tesco do egg and spinach pot and a roasted cauliflower pot - you need to inspect the labels though. I have also taken cold crustless quiche and cold fathead pizza with me to work. Any left overs from an evening meal put in a tub can become a lunch to grab on the way out to work.

Hope this helps
 
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Debzz_

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It all takes planning doesn't it. I'm struggling with what to have for breakfast. Also when out and about where can I buy suitable food to eat from. ? Currently I find myself buying subway chicken salad bowls. I'm soon going to get bored of that. Also is eating pork scratching a good plan ?
Hi Tristan ! I was diagnosed 3 weeks ago T2 - I had felt quite unwell for a while my levels were in high teens . This week I'm feeling much better my levels are high 7's in the morning- but I'm happy to see an improvement.
I'm doing low carbs - but not cutting out completely. I've discovered bread is a complete no - but unlike some people I can eat bananas.
Although I'm still a novice at this ( ha ha ) I would say don't go extreme - I had two small roast spuds on Sunday and about 8 chips with my steak the other day . I've made curry and had some whole grain rice - it was nicer than white .
I've discovered some sugar free - virtually no carb Marie biscuits too .
Pork scratching are fine - I've been enjoying my cooked breakfasts .
You are doing well - we still have to enjoy life
 
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Kristin251

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I find I need a high fat, vlc carb and protein bf. Avocado it is. Protein and carbs spike me crazy high in the morning.

Cold chicken or hard boiled eggs are good. Toss any protein with mayo and grab a side of veggies like celery, mushrooms, broccoli etc. Careful with carrots. Even chop those up and add it into the protein mayo concoction. You can make enough for a few days. Many of us batch cook so we can just grab something and defrost it.
Cold Steak salads are great. Mayo based veggie dip / sauce/ dressing .( add hot sauce, horseradish or mustard to mayo)

Low carb minimally processed sausages.

I generally have a chopped salad lunch of some type. Chopped cold protein of various kinds, chopped avocado. Onion, celery, radish. Then I usually have a bowl of various cooked veggies like asparagus, Brussels sprouts, etc and I throw a few of those in. I can make enough for a few days just not including the avocado until that day so it doesn't go bad.

These days I like to spend as little time as possible cooking nad cleaning up.

Last night I made 10 large lamb chops and froze them in single serve bags. Grab and go now.
 
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Debzz_

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I find I need a high fat, vlc carb and protein bf. Avocado it is. Protein and carbs spike me crazy high in the morning.

Cold chicken or hard boiled eggs are good. Toss any protein with mayo and grab a side of veggies like celery, mushrooms, broccoli etc. Careful with carrots. Even chop those up and add it into the protein mayo concoction. You can make enough for a few days. Many of us batch cook so we can just grab something and defrost it.
Cold Steak salads are great. Mayo based veggie dip / sauce/ dressing .( add hot sauce, horseradish or mustard to mayo)

Low carb minimally processed sausages.

I generally have a chopped salad lunch of some type. Chopped cold protein of various kinds, chopped avocado. Onion, celery, radish. Then I usually have a bowl of various cooked veggies like asparagus, Brussels sprouts, etc and I throw a few of those in. I can make enough for a few days just not including the avocado until that day so it doesn't go bad.

These days I like to spend as little time as possible cooking nad cleaning up.

Last night I made 10 large lamb chops and froze them in single serve bags. Grab and go now.
Cold steak salad mmm never thought of that one !
 

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I have Greek yoghurt with either raspberries and blueberries and a tablespoon of granola of flax seed for breakfast during the week when I'm working - days of and w/ends it's eggs (poached or scrambled) and a slice of seeded toast
 
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