Daily Carbs

[DumfriesDik]

Following a diabetic group meeting with the diabetic nurse and nutritionist, I officially started Ozempic today.

In that meeting, amongst other things, we were given information on diet. 2500 calories a day for men and roughly, a third should be carbs.

1/3 of 2500 calories =
≈ 833 calories from carbs

Carbs = 4 calories per gram

833 ÷ 4 = 208 grams of carb

If I ate 200g of carbs, I think I would lose control. Happy but out of control!

Does anyone here eat that many carbs and still have control?

 

[DumfriesDik]

 

[KennyA]

Not me. Personally, that would - I think, not going to try it - be way too much. I used to follow the NHS recommended way of eating - lots of carbs, very little red meat, next to no saturated fat....and I became diabetic on that diet.

Now it's almost no carbs, lots of red meat and saturated fat, result normal blood glucose levels.....

 

[Pipp]

I followed that Eatwell guide for many years. Grew fatter and fatter, and became diabetic. The dietitian insisted I was doing things the wrong way, or perhaps not being truthful. Only improved after following Newcastle diet methods for a while and switching to low carb as my forever regime.
Eatwell is possibly ok for anyone not prone to insulin resistance and T2 diabetes. I was one of the unfortunate ones, who believed I had done something wrong, until I found this forum and the lived experience of the helpful members.

 

[DumfriesDik]

I was aghast when I saw the diagram, it took me aback. Had a chat with the dietician about it, said I would not be following it. If I just saw that many carbs, yet alone eat them, my bloods would go up!

 

[There is no Spoon]

I was aghast when I saw the diagram

Ok some one correct me if I am wrong here, these are all facts as far as I am aware.

1. The eat well plate is derived from Ansel Keys food Pyramid.
2. The food Pyramid is derived form the 22 countries study in 1958.
3. The results form 15 countries were omitted as they did not fit the original lipid hypothesis.
4. lipid hypothesis simplified - eating fat made you fat and lead to heart disease.
5. 1958 was 68 years ago and governments all round the world are still peddling this nonsense.
6. It was Debunked by the Minnesota Coronary Experiment (MCE), 1960s.
7. Introduced the LFHC diet in the late 1970's
8. Adopted as orthodox medical dogma in the 1980s

The Low fat high carbohydrate diet promoted by Keys in the late 70's is considered these days to be harmful to diabetics is widely attributed due to the replacement of dietary saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates combined with the need to replace the flavour from saturated fats with increased consumption of refined sugars in "low-fat" products, fuelling the global obesity epidemic.

I know I am preaching to the converted on this website but it needs to be said why are we teaching this nonsense to our children in schools. And when will the government wake up and stop pushing dangerous medical nutritional guidelines, from the 1960's to us.

Don't even get me started on breakfast cereals.
If you know you know.

 

[KennyA]

Ok some one correct me if I am wrong here, these are all facts as far as I am aware.

1. The eat well plate is derived from Ansel Keys food Pyramid.
2. The food Pyramid is derived form the 22 countries study in 1958.
3. The results form 15 countries were omitted as they did not fit the original lipid hypothesis.
4. lipid hypothesis simplified - eating fat made you fat and lead to heart disease.
5. 1958 was 68 years ago and governments all round the world are still peddling this nonsense.
6. It was Debunked by the Minnesota Coronary Experiment (MCE), 1960s.
7. Introduced the LFHC diet in the late 1970's
8. Adopted as orthodox medical dogma in the 1980s

The Low fat high carbohydrate diet promoted by Keys in the late 70's is considered these days to be harmful to diabetics is widely attributed due to the replacement of dietary saturated fats with polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates combined with the need to replace the flavour from saturated fats with increased consumption of refined sugars in "low-fat" products, fuelling the global obesity epidemic.

I know I am preaching to the converted on this website but it needs to be said why are we teaching this nonsense to our children in schools. And when will the government wake up and stop pushing dangerous medical nutritional guidelines, from the 1960's to us.

Don't even get me started on breakfast cereals.
If you know you know.

I don't think you're wrong. I'm old enough to remember that before 1980ish the standard NHS advice to people wanting to lose weight was "cut out starches and sugars" - ie lower your carb intake. No mention of dietary fat.

I'd just add that it was not that the Keys work was so convincing or persuasive - the driver was that the US Government in 1968 was feeding some 18 million people every day - schools, police, jails, military etc, and wanted to reduce costs. Carbs are cheap, and Keys' flawed work was seized upon as "evidence" that carbs were good for you, so governments could feed people cereals instead of meat and save money, while claiming to be doing it in the interests of "health". The McGovern Committee was the active player.

The Minnesota Coronary Experiment did indeed demonstrate that saturated fat in the diet had no impact on heart disease, but these results could not be published in full because they gave the lie to the "sat fat bad" dogma and were suppressed until around 2014. I think you can draw a line from that to the decision by the American College of Cardiology in 2019 to recommend removal of limits on saturated fat in the diet.

 

[Outlier]

That goes a long way towards explaining hospital food.....

 

[KennyA]

That goes a long way towards explaining hospital food.....

If my memory serves (and it frequently doesn't, these days) around fifteen years ago the average budget for a patient meal in an NHS hospital was under £1. There's not a lot you can do with that in the way of real food.