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To medicate or not to medicate, that is the question

niblue

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
I had a visit for blood testing etc. with the diabetic nurse at my local medical practice last week, with a follow-up call to discuss the results yesterday. Key points were:
  • HB1AC: Not great at 68, but down a fair bit from 80 the last time
  • Blood pressure: A week of my own measurements (the nurse didn't check blood pressure herself) averaged 138/81 but down from an average of 143/82 the last time
  • BMI: 28.5 so still too high, however down from 30.3 the last time
  • All my other checks including cholesterol etc. are OKish (e.g. total cholesterol of 4.4)
I’ve got my next scheduled blood test in early July but had a bit of a difference of opinion with my GP (who’s the diabetic specialist at the local surgery) on what to do now. Given I’ve been making reasonable progress my preference is to leave my medications the same for now (I’m currently taking 1 x 500mg metformin plus a statin daily) and continue with lifestyle changes. The GP however, (who from previous experience does tend to like to prescribe) wants to:
  • Increase my metformin to 2 x 500mg per day
  • Put me on blood pressure medication (which I’ve never been on before)
On the lifestyle side of things I’m on a reduced carb (and lower calorie) diet and also continuing to shift some weight (I’ve lost another kg in weight since I was in for tests last week, so BMI is now 28.1) as I know that’ll be beneficial for both my blood sugar and blood pressure. In the week since the blood test my own blood sugar readings have averaged 7.9, and my blood pressure 129/79 which would appear to indicate things are heading in the right direction.

Anyway we’ve agreed(!) to do it my way for now (although I expect he has me down a trouble maker) and then review again after the next blood test. I’m interested to know what other folks would have done though! Part of me isn’t that keen on going against a doctors advice, however in reality I’ve perhaps got better access to current data than he does, including on the direction of travel that my own tests are showing.

So what would you have done in those circumstances?

Regards
Steve
 
Short answer is it would depend, as I've never been in your circumstances. On (eventual) diagnosis I was offered metformin which I refused and was urged to take a statin, which I've also always refused. Metformin will lower BG a little and a statin will raise it. They might balance.

I wanted to lower my BG by a lot, and having read about people's experiences on this forum it seemed like a low carb/keto diet was the thing to do. It was essentially Atkins, which I'd done in the past and which had worked for me in terms of weight loss - no idea about blood glucose then. So that's what I did, and it worked (and continues to work).

If it hadn't - of course I'd have tried medication, whatever was available. I had some pretty bad diabetes-related symptoms and anything that got rid of them would have been welcome.
 
One of the slight oddities is that I've never had any symptoms of diabetes, instead when I was in for something else (an issue with my hip) the doctor decided to give me a full battery of tests as I hadn't ever had them (and in fact hadn't been to see a doctor in a decade or more).I was put on metformin and statins immediately at that point, and not really given any other advice other than to stop taking sugar in my coffee...

After doing my own research It's also my preference to progress with a low-carb diet, which is what I'm doing now. That's partly to reduce my blood sugar but also to lose some weight (which I think will also have a beneficial effect on my blood pressure as well).

Anyway, we will see what the score is when I get my next blood test done.
 
I am happy to take any of the pills offered to me. I struggle with my diet, always have, but I am aware that losing weight is very beneficial to BG control.
 
Often it works the other way about - you get a grip on your blood glucose, and the weight naturally comes off.
 
I'm happy to take diabetes meds (but not statins as they take my cholesterol too low) and I don't have high blood pressure so don't need meds for that.

My reasoning for taking diabetes meds is that the higher your blood sugar levels, the more potential damage may occur to my arteries, more risk of retinopathy in my eyes and more damage to the nerves in my feet.

I also restrict the amount of carbs I eat to stop my blood sugar spiking,
 
Hi
Since I developed T2 5 years ago I have followed a Low Carb diet, usually quite low when I bother to put my foods into the ‘FitnesPal’ app. Like you, I’ve recently had blood tests, myHbA1c is about 57 and GP STILL talking about me getting it lower!! I barely eat anything!
I keep getting told that I don’t need to monitor my daily blood glucose levels!! GP said only the HbA1c is relevant and average glucose reading
 
When I was first diagnosed a three years ago I got my HB1AC down from 106 to 53 in under 3 months - mainly by going low carb and losing a lot of weight, then down to 43 in another 3 months. So I know it can be done, I just need to do it again and then not get complacent this time. After a 3rd lowish test of 53 I then moved onto annual tests, with the next one being 80, and the one after that being the latest at 68. I'd pretty much stopped doing any testing or tracking my weight so this time, once I get back to where I need to be, the plan is to do at last weekly blood and weight checks.

This is how my own home blood sugar tests have been trending since my last HB1AC in mid March, so the appear to generally be heading in the right direction. I've also dropped nearly a stone in weight over that period as well.

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I had a visit for blood testing etc. with the diabetic nurse at my local medical practice last week, with a follow-up call to discuss the results yesterday. Key points were:
  • HB1AC: Not great at 68, but down a fair bit from 80 the last time
  • Blood pressure: A week of my own measurements (the nurse didn't check blood pressure herself) averaged 138/81 but down from an average of 143/82 the last time
  • BMI: 28.5 so still too high, however down from 30.3 the last time
  • All my other checks including cholesterol etc. are OKish (e.g. total cholesterol of 4.4)
I’ve got my next scheduled blood test in early July but had a bit of a difference of opinion with my GP (who’s the diabetic specialist at the local surgery) on what to do now. Given I’ve been making reasonable progress my preference is to leave my medications the same for now (I’m currently taking 1 x 500mg metformin plus a statin daily) and continue with lifestyle changes. The GP however, (who from previous experience does tend to like to prescribe) wants to:
  • Increase my metformin to 2 x 500mg per day
  • Put me on blood pressure medication (which I’ve never been on before)
On the lifestyle side of things I’m on a reduced carb (and lower calorie) diet and also continuing to shift some weight (I’ve lost another kg in weight since I was in for tests last week, so BMI is now 28.1) as I know that’ll be beneficial for both my blood sugar and blood pressure. In the week since the blood test my own blood sugar readings have averaged 7.9, and my blood pressure 129/79 which would appear to indicate things are heading in the right direction.

Anyway we’ve agreed(!) to do it my way for now (although I expect he has me down a trouble maker) and then review again after the next blood test. I’m interested to know what other folks would have done though! Part of me isn’t that keen on going against a doctors advice, however in reality I’ve perhaps got better access to current data than he does, including on the direction of travel that my own tests are showing.

So what would you have done in those circumstances?

Regards
Steve

You have asked about issues that are pertinent.

Unfortunately as much as the medical profession wishes to assist us get better, especially on the NHS in the UK, they have limited resources, and time. So much pressure on them.

As someone who resisted taking medication for a good while, in the hope that I would be able to use lifestyle changes, to bring down my HbA1c, blood pressure, cholesterol, etc. but eventually have started taking medication for blood pressure, here is my candid advice, which they may not have explicitly highlighted.

High blood pressure and diabetes, generally have medication that can address even high off the scale number, so these have a solution. Lifestyle or medication or both.

The more important issue is the impact that not managing weight, blood pressure, diabetes, etc, etc, have on more serious issues like eyesight, extremities like the toes or feet which can be amputated in a worst case scenario, and our kidney function decline is accelerated by these other causal factors.

Sadly the full implications of poor management of the issues which are easily managed via medication, such as blood pressure and diabetes, are not always properly explained. Poor kidney function - leading to dialysis, that is definitely something one MUST do everything to avoid. Worsening eyesight and neuropathy - same. These other end stage ailments from persistent high blood pressure and diabetes, are not so easily managed via medication, cos the harm is probably irreversible, or difficult to reverse.

My suggestion. Work with your medical partners, to immediately start taking medication for diabetes, cholesterol, and high blood pressure, until you no longer need medication, or your medication is reduced, because lifestyle improvements have been sufficient to bring down all your markers (blood pressure, weight/BMI, cholesterol and HbA1c) back to within normal levels.

I forgot to mention, there are other issues - related to arteries, brain, and heart. Cardiovascular, Peripheral Artery Disease, Strokes, heart attacks, Coronary Heart disease, and more, all caused (root causes) by too much glucose in the blood and high blood pressure, and cholesterol/plaques clogging up arteries. Which are even more difficult or impossible to reverse.

A stitch in time saves 9.

Avoiding the long term possibility of a downward spiral to these more serious conditions, should be enough to convince you to take the medication, as an insurance policy against a worse future. Lifestyle changes take time to adopt and also take time to perfect, and take time to become effective. In the interim, until no longer needed, please take ALL the medication prescribed, so that you can avoid consequences that are far worse than high blood pressure or diabetes.

I'll add, we definitely DO NOT want the blood pressure or diabetes to get worse, and medication may be required. My own sister deferred taking medication for diabetes, until it got so bad, she is now on insulin - without a choice in the matter, to get her diabetes under control.

I blame the government, who should have done more to educate us on the real dangers of so many things we eat, drink or do.

For example I discovered that alcohol is classified by the World Health Organisation as a carcinogen, sometime this morning, and has been so classified for a while. How come that piece of information is not shouted from the roof tops, by the BBC, ITV, SKY.

How come we are not told that wholewheat bread is actually worse than white bread, when it comes to blood glucose control. So many of us ate wholewheat bread for many years, thinking that it is healthy.!! And drank the highest quality of juice, not realising how unhealthy that was. So it is not for lack of effort, but we are where we are, predominantly cos we were ignorant and not well informed. I blame the government for that.

The true harms of the things we eat, drink and do, deserve far more publicity, so we can avoid getting sick.

How come we do not know anything about the phosphates in our carbonated drinks (coca cola), fruit juices, and in our processed meats, which lead to kidney damage?? How come we are not informed that all dairy is high in phosphates, which can have an impact on our kidney health?

We are made to walk blindly into these situations, and only when the harm is done, are we informed, that all our best efforts have been a waste of time, cos a lot of information was hidden away from us.

At the very 1st indication of prediabetes/diabetes, or high blood pressure, we should be fully informed of the potential dangers from poor management of these conditions, not just the worsening of these main two, but the downward slope affecting almost every other organ in the body, eyes, liver, pancreas, arteries, brain, heart, etc, etc. If people knew what was at stake we would take better prevention steps, one of which would be adopt medication as early as possible to avoid making things worse.

Please take the medication. That is my best advice.
 
I had a visit for blood testing etc. with the diabetic nurse at my local medical practice last week, with a follow-up call to discuss the results yesterday. Key points were:
  • HB1AC: Not great at 68, but down a fair bit from 80 the last time
  • Blood pressure: A week of my own measurements (the nurse didn't check blood pressure herself) averaged 138/81 but down from an average of 143/82 the last time
  • BMI: 28.5 so still too high, however down from 30.3 the last time
  • All my other checks including cholesterol etc. are OKish (e.g. total cholesterol of 4.4)
I’ve got my next scheduled blood test in early July but had a bit of a difference of opinion with my GP (who’s the diabetic specialist at the local surgery) on what to do now. Given I’ve been making reasonable progress my preference is to leave my medications the same for now (I’m currently taking 1 x 500mg metformin plus a statin daily) and continue with lifestyle changes. The GP however, (who from previous experience does tend to like to prescribe) wants to:
  • Increase my metformin to 2 x 500mg per day
  • Put me on blood pressure medication (which I’ve never been on before)
On the lifestyle side of things I’m on a reduced carb (and lower calorie) diet and also continuing to shift some weight (I’ve lost another kg in weight since I was in for tests last week, so BMI is now 28.1) as I know that’ll be beneficial for both my blood sugar and blood pressure. In the week since the blood test my own blood sugar readings have averaged 7.9, and my blood pressure 129/79 which would appear to indicate things are heading in the right direction.

Anyway we’ve agreed(!) to do it my way for now (although I expect he has me down a trouble maker) and then review again after the next blood test. I’m interested to know what other folks would have done though! Part of me isn’t that keen on going against a doctors advice, however in reality I’ve perhaps got better access to current data than he does, including on the direction of travel that my own tests are showing.

So what would you have done in those circumstances?

Regards
Steve

I would also add. Why is the medical profession, in the UK, not consistently informing us about the opportunity to NOT just MANAGE diabetes, but put diabetes into REMISSION.

REMISSION means, we are able to maintain blood glucose in the normal range, without any medication. That should be the end goal for as many of us as possible. I recognise not everyone will attain REMISSION, cos of various reasons, including the duration of their diabetes journey. But at the very least aiming for REMISSION of diabetes will reduce the extent of our dependency/dose of medication.

Why is it NOT standard practice for doctors and nurses, to educate us about what is possible.

In my case I was the one educating my doctor, that that would be my objective - diabetes REMISSION.

Sadly the medical profession are only too happy to MANAGE our diabetes, when so many of us could completely ditch the diabetes, possibly for a lifetime.

The science is there that most people can achieve diabetes REMISSION, especially if their diabetes is caught early, and they aggressively MANAGE it with a view to achieving REMISSION.

Please search for and read Professor Roy Taylors ( A proper UK medical researcher and medical doctor) books -

1. Simple guide to reversing Type 2 diabetes.
2. Life without diabetes

There is hope, lots of hope, rather than just MANAGE our diabetes, we can REVERSE IT, and this is possible for most of us.!!

These are books that the NHS should give as standard issue to any newly diagnosed diabetic, in addition to any medical advice on diet, and/or medication prescribed.

Professor Taylor concluded his ground breaking research about 13 years ago or more, the knowledge is out there, and it is unfortunate that we are NOT going far enough with relieving patients of this burden when there is evidence that many of us can reverse this condition.

Reversing diabetes should also have a positive impact on blood pressure, cos underlying evolving diabetes, is one of the causes of high blood pressure.!

Best wishes.
 
To clarify - I'm already on statins and metformin (although only 1 x 500mg a day), and have been on both for some time. My cholesterol is ok, my blood sugar was high (68) at my last HB1AC test but has likely dropped a fair bit from then (I'm expecting/hoping it'll be in the 50's when next tested). My blood pressure is definitely trending down, but still not quite where it needs to be (the average over the last couple of weeks being about 129/76. My BMI is now under 28, and also trending downwards.

My next HB1AC is in about 2 months and depending on how that goes I will definitely consider additional medication - especially for high blood pressure.

I do have some eye problems (just had a detached retina fixed in March) and while that wasn't diabetes related I am sensitive to factors which increase the risk to my eyes. I don't have any of the other potential side effects from diabetes at the moment though (my feet were checked a few weeks back and are fine, for example) and my kidney function etc. was all fine when checked recently.

I'm not against medication - far from it - however it'd be an easy crutch to hold onto, when in fact some of the contributing factors (primarily weight and diet) are 100% under my own control. So I'd really like to understand what I can do myself, without relying on medication.
 
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