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If your liver is truly empty of glycogen there is nothing left to dump - though remember that the process of gluconeogenesis kicks in too - that's the liver turning protein into glycogen. But 'that' glucose will be used readily and immediately for the body's needs, namely the brain so it...

CONGRATS!, Patch! Keep up the good 'hard' work! For those reading -- any very lo carb diet will also produce about 10 lbs of weight loss in the first 7-10 days.. The first 4 lbs is always the liver emptying of glycogen+water in combo.. Then real fat burning begins. So at any given time - the 4...

To those that have challenged Kenny -- we all need to be more careful we don't punch a man when he's down. Though I may agree with the 'data' you presented to him -- there's something to be said for 'timing'. He's not really 'starting over' because of the one binge or even the 1500 calorie day...

5.8 for me this am.. Lowest in a while.. I like not being on the Lantus anymore -- but the dawn effect is more evident. Still losing weight which will pull those am fastings even more in line eventually. Pre breakfast and dinner and after exercise are all still around 5.0 - so that means my...

But Kenny - not all calories are created equal. WHAT the calories ARE from- matters in this diet as I read it. Hopefully, Kenny. Testing now DOES matter. Don't fool yourself. Though I think you'd see some pretty great numbers. I agree an OGTT will tell an important story at the end. I've known...

Not exactly, Pianoman. I agree we are way healthier than where we started - lowER carb to very lo carb diets predominantly work by simply lowering 'intake' of a whole macronutirent that turns directly into glucose in the blood - namely carbs.. So it's a no-brainer that low carbing can control BG...

Week 2 and 3 are actually the 'hardest' Kenny. Hang tough, mate!! There's almost an 'old girlfriend longing' that sets in for 'real food' in week 2 - HANG TOUGH!!!!! :x

You don't need the specific data to make a logical conclusion/correlation simply by the fact that not all low carbers have good A1c's/nearly normal monthly BG levels which means 'fat around organs' is at least 'one' of the possibilities for that to be so. Certainly there's no way to know for...

Re: DAY 8 Ooo, Kenny!! Firstly - GREAT WORK-mate!!! Second -- Ghirardelli '72% chocolate' squares.. 4 calories each.. And 2 of them after a meal will actually ENABLE to reach your goals.. They've CHANGED MY LIFE!!! My sweet tooth has never faded even a BIT -- BUT -- moving to Dark chocolate...

Yep -- that would clean ya out.. I didn't read the conclusion you say was in the study about any diet will do. I'll read again.. If that were the case then this particular diet wouldn't have been 'uniquely' effective to the study group as it seems to have been. There are MANY who super low carb...

Kenny, You may have turned the corner. The toxins stored in the fat are just HORRIBLE when they're making their exit. I had 2 days like you did when I first did Atkins a ways back.. Horrible feeling. Good job you pressed through and you were right to move to a little something to pick you back...

AFter an extended liquid diet a BIG MAC and going LARGE would make you violently ill and you couldn't even keep it down. In fact I knew of a person that tried going back to their 'old way' too quickly after a fasting diet -- and it killed their joy for McDonald's ever again. Maybe you should do...

OH MY!!!!!! YUCK!! No wonder!! PLEEEEASE do yourself a FAVOR and get ONLY the chocolate ones. The difference is LIGHT YEARS APART!! You'll think you've 'died' and gone to heaven when you get the chocolate Herbalife -- with 2% milk... The Herbalife is meant to be mixed with milk - and not water...

Don't feel bad, Kenny. I had the same aversion to the Herbalife shakes after the first few days and then for some reason I was able to go back to them. But on regular Herbalife, you're not confined to 600kcal. And you eat a normal dinner each night. I can't imagine ONLY those shakes 3x a day...

Hmmm. "Fascinating" [as Mr. Spock used to say on the original Star Trek series]

I am 'well' aware of Jenny's positions on these topics, Sid. I never comment unless I'm well studied in an area and have come to conclusions after careful consideration. I'm sure that's true of you too. :) But Jenny's, without a doubt, a 'true believer' in ketosis producing/very low carb.

Wow. Thanks everyone who's posted so far. At all forums that I've been at except this one - when you start a thread or post to a thread - the forum interface AUTOMATICALLY adds the thread to your 'subscibed threads' list. This forum doesn't do that. You have to manually subscribe even to a...

..which is 'itself' a 'perception'. And of course it would make 'sense' if you desire to do things her way.. :wink: You're not alone here. Many ultra low carbers have found her blog to be a sort of 'bible' of the 'purer way'. You do not pick up from her writing about it that she's a fan of it...

Understood. Thanks, Kenny. Yes - for 80% of us T2's that is indeed the issue - muscle insulin resistance because of belly fat. Insulin can't take glucose into cells for energy. Fantastic... Thanks, Kenny!

Wow.. This is getting exciting. Almost makes ME want to start. I've lost a lot -- but have my last 3 stone to go! And ALL fat burned off LIVER and PANCREAS in just SEVEN DAYS?!?!?!??!?! How did I miss that when I read the study.. We sure of that? I must have read the study 3 times. Keep us...