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Agreed - but........ That's one of the main points. It will still be ketogenic in nature. -- All ketogenic diets 'starve' a human in the strictest sense - but that's a semantics argument. Fat isn't converted as efficiently into energy as carbs are - though I will acknowledge that's more...

Thanks for starting this, Kenny, and telling all the gory details as you're experiencing them. As Viv said I can concur - lots of water. When you start burning 'only' fat for energy as you probably are already -- the fat stores a LOT of toxins. So when they start being used in the body some of...

Welcome, Kenny! Would you be willing to start a thread chronicling your 6-8 week journey? It would be fascinating!

Hey gang, I was on a long bike ride over the weekend and I think I had an 'epiphany' about our shared disease and I wanted to run it by the rest of you and compare our reading and notes. For the longest time the majority of the science I've read and what was simple logic (to me) made clear that...

Yes, yes! If by 'old ways' you mean eating too large portions, eating high carb + high fat - and we end up packing the weight back on, indeed, the hyperglycemia symptoms would return. But for the 80% group of us, that were overweight/obese at dx, there IS the hope of 'full remission' - I've...

True 'non-diabetics', that aren't in any stage of pre-diabetes - will be back at fasting levels b 2 hours after the carbiest meals filled with starch and sugar. A meal with lots of fat may slow the process to 3 hours.. But every text book I've ever read on normal blood sugar, info from my...

Mod edit -discussion of spelling Agreed. BUT they also had just as much or more heart disease than we have today precisely because of what I said - high fat + high carb. Again agreed - on that point I'm with you - we eat from less good 'sources' these days. Sorry. Can't let you off the hook...

Mod edit -discussion of spelling Really? Maybe in terms of the fat. But the diet of 2 generations ago had 'way' more grains and starches in it than, I'd wager, you eat, from your identification with low carb/high fat. Rice and potatoes were in every meal in that generation, and depending on...

6.8 for me again today.. Aargh. I don't want to restart the Lantus. So will just keep trying tricks to lessen the DP effect. Awesome low humidity summer days here too. Wow! Have a great day all!

The problem is there are several standards out there, Etty. By the 'medical' standards I have in my source list anything that's 'half' of the daily recommended intake for normal people (300g/day) is considered SOME form of lo carb. For what it's worth - those gradations you give work for me and...

5.9 for me today.. FINALLY back in the 5's (barely).. That infection REALLY messed with me.. But now that I'm off the Lantus -- my DP clearly affect my AM numbers. Even with only 5 units of Lantus it would get my fasting down to 4.8-5.2. But my pre lunch and pre dinner numbers ARE 4.8-5.2 - so...

Wow. Amazing stuff and important reads. Thanks for these too..

which I'm not for a MOMENT espousing - and most peer reviewed sources no longer espouse this for the general public anymore and certainly not for diabetics. But they also don't support Atkins style eating mostly because it just isn't sustainable for the vast majority. Yes, sadly most general...

Methinks 'all' topics with regard to controlling D are 'cans of worms'. All is well, TomsGrandma! :D Yes, we are unique in our personal/sociological challenges in having/controlling D - but diabetes' working, most effective control regimens and progression (or lack thereof) aren't as...

Wow. What a roller coaster ride, Patch. Hang in there. The advice you've gotten is 'spot on' from my perspective too. Infections wreak real havoc with BG levels too. I'll bet that's at the heart of it. Like you said - the Mars Bar didn't help - but the infection's in this equation most likely...

These last two posts I quote really move us 'off topic' again. And if they'd been sent to me in PM - I would have responded in PM as well. And as they may be deleted from this thread I'll PM them as well to Sid and Viv - but I also need to respond publicly so more of you can know what makes...

Thanks, but, you're joking - right? Salty carrots don't even come CLOSE to a pretzel rod. Yes - crunch is important but the texture and 'flavor' isn't even close. Carrots don't 'dissolve' into a 'paste' in your mouth - just smaller bits. I mean I LOVE carrots and salt or peanut butter - but...

This comment was made in the 'poll thread' about this diet and as I thought about it my, 'pontification' about the topic, is more appropriate in 'this thread' than there.. So I'll respond here: From my experience and talking to many folks - MOST - people feel very 'sick' through the induction...

Well I started to respond a bit to this here. But the mods have asked us to keep this thread a little cleaner with ideas that could go off topic. I'm not sure I agree with several comments above. But I've posted my response in the other 600 calorie diet thread here...

Yeah - after those anti-depr get out of your system you'll better be able to judge what foods are doing to you. I will say that 'sleepiness' and brain fog after foods with 'wheat' in them -- are a 'classic' symptom of Celiac's disease. You should also maybe get that checked out. My wife suffers...