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cyclemans

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Given diag of type 2 on 18 dec 17. Prescribed Metformin 500mg /day then 1000/ day after 14 days , then i have no clue. Was contacted later in the day with a booking on the 8th Jan 18. For my hour long newly diagnosed consultation.

Had no guidance for diet over Christmas so as I don’t drink anyways I carried on as normal.

Will wait and see what the 8th brings. concerned about any dietary advice as the diet i need to deal with liver disease and recovery is a tad different to those snippets I have read regarding diabetes.

Bit of a whirl all in all. But I know where to come for advice now , which is a good thing.

Steve.
 

archersuz

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Welcome @cyclemans. You will be offered a lot of advice and support here. I don't know what diet you need for your other Health problems, so I won't offer any advice on diet! Hopefully your appointment on the 8th will help.
 

4ratbags

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Hi and welcome to the forum. Don't be shy to ask questions we are a helpful bunch
 

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Tagging @daisy1 who will post the welcome pack which is full of links and invaluable information.

I would advise holding off on any changes to your diet until you have seen your Diabetes Specialist Nurse and then done your reading into the effects any dietary adjustments with regards to your liver complaint may have. You may find that the same approach benefits both conditions but it would be wise to wait until you fully understand where you are with both. I wish you all the best.

May I just ask what are the snippets you have read about diet re Diabetes?
 

cyclemans

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Tagging @daisy1 who will post the welcome pack which is full of links and invaluable information.

I would advise holding off on any changes to your diet until you have seen your Diabetes Specialist Nurse and then done your reading into the effects any dietary adjustments with regards to your liver complaint may have. You may find that the same approach benefits both conditions but it would be wise to wait until you fully understand where you are with both. I wish you all the best.

May I just ask what are the snippets you have read about diet re Diabetes?
My main concern with diet info like cutting down carbs. Reducing processed meats etc . Was simply that how do I know what food helps reduce my numbers and what doesn't , I have no means of testing this. The only type of number reference the doctor gave me a fortnight ago is on every measurement my green dot was as high up the tree it could get without falling off. Lol.
I will await my appointment on the 8th. I have a feeling I will be posting well into the night afterwords to get answers and help from you guys.
Having had a bit longer to digest I feel I should be upfront and add that I have cirrhosis Child's B ALD . As an example my dietary advice for bedtime snack is 50g of carbs . One option on my list being a large Danish pastry and 300ml of milk. And all my meals should include bread pasta rice and
potatoes . Also snacks of toast, crackers scone chocolate between meals. So you see my concern. Anyways I just wanted to be open about things at the beginning.
.Ta. S.
 
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cyclemans

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Depending on which liver condition you have, you might find the following blog (on Hepatitis and Fatty Liver) helpful:

Thanks Indy, article was of great interest. I concede now however that if the information and knowledge I get from you guys is going to be it's most useful I need to be as candid as possible .
 

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@cyclemans

Hello Cyclemans and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful and interesting. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

4ratbags

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Wow that is a lot to deal with. Hopefully there may be some members who can offer some insight into some dietary guidelines for you as all the foods you mentioned are really bad for your diabetes but as you're in such a complex situation if you change your diet to benefit one condition it may make another worse.
 

cyclemans

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Wow that is a lot to deal with. Hopefully there may be some members who can offer some insight into some dietary guidelines for you as all the foods you mentioned are really bad for your diabetes but as you're in such a complex situation if you change your diet to benefit one condition it may make another worse.

At this stage it is just good for me that people who have knowledge of the challenges Diabetes bring care enough to offer help and support when they can. It is much harder to deal with anything if you are alone.
It is clear in my short time on here that we are not alone. thank god.

Thanks for your help.
S.
 

cyclemans

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update from new T2 appointment on the 8th jan. found the results of my blood test which was 92, she said that was pretty high. unlikely we will be able to control with metformin but we must try. moved to 1500mg for a week then 2000mg starting next week. i handled the 1000mg but this new level is making me very tetchy and stomach achey . but .. we try it.
no mention of measuring my bloods myself and once i had shown her my liver diet sheets she referred me to “their specialist team” still waiting for that appointment . specifically told not to alter diet till i had seen them. she did an on the spot sugar finger prick test which was 14.7. !
the metformin seems to have stopped the total lack of energy i was experiencing . it has created to some degree a level of insomnia . i have often stayed up until after 2 am very easily. on a few occasions dragging myself to bed at dawn. my level of thirst has also reduced by about 80% so all in all i am quite pleased.

thanks fo listening . S