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Emmy10

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Firstly I would like to apologize for my lack of knowledge about this however, I was hoping you could shed some light on it for me.

For about two weeks now I have been extremely thirsty, I've never gone through thirst like this and I have been feeling more hungry then usual. I've been passing a lot of urine but I just figured that was because I was drinking a lot.

After speaking to a work colleague of mine she suggested that it may be symptoms of Diabetes, her son has Diabetes so she gave me a spare blood testing meter and told me to test my blood in the morning, two hours after a meal etc ...

My readings have been has followed:

Monday Morning: 7.6mmol (After 10 hours of not eating)
Monday Evening: 10.3mmol (2 hours after eating my dinner)

Tuesday Morning: 7.9mmol (After 10 hours of not eating)
Tuesday Evening: 12.3mmol (2 hours after eating my dinner)

Wednesday Morning: 8.4mmol (After 10 hours of not eating)

Last week I had a reading of 16mmol after dinner also, I'm a 22 year old female who is not the healthiest of people but I'm average weight and height with no other health problems.

I have made a Doctor's appointment for Friday but would really appreciate your advice/opinion on this.

Thanks.

Emmy. x
 
From your readings I would say you have diabetes (though I am not a doctor), if you can I would try and bring your appointment forward and take your readings with you. The sooner you get the ball rolling, you can get it diagnosed by the professionals and if confirmed diabetic which type you are and what treatment you need.

What kind of food are you eating? as that can have a big effect on your sugar levels, for instance white bread or foods made from white bread can cause big spikes with some people. Daisy should be along shortly to provide you with some useful information.

If you have enough strips its worth testing before a meal and then two hors after the meal you have done the pre meal test, this will give an indication of which meal has caused the rise and record what you have eaten to see if you can spot which food is doing what for you.

This bit is down to a post code lottery, worth asking if your doctor will give you a prescription for test strips. Have a look at web sites like Abbot Medisense, Bayer, life scan etc, for the range of meters. Ring one up and they will generally send you a meter for free, and they normally come with a starter pack of 10 test strips.

Abbott have a free meter request on this web page, https://www.abbottdiabetescare.co.uk/free-meter-signup
 
If your tests had been done in a doctor's surgery with approved equipment then two fasting readings over 7.0 would be enough to diagnose you as diabetic.

The two hours after eating readings are not subject to specific limits but NICE recommend that they be lower than 8.5 to avoid any damage being done and the readings for a non diabetic would be considerably lower than 8.5.

Anticipate being diagnosed as diabetic.

PS. Although, in the future, you will probably find that a change of menu will be of great benefit you should note that the fasting readings have nothing to do with what you eat because you hadn't eaten for 10 hours.
 
hi,Emmy :)

Your work colleague probably gave you a few tips regarding diet as well as the bg meter.(nice of that person to be helpful)

Lets hope your Doctor can give you the necessary test etc; that will put you on the right track.
At the Doctors your health records, history and current problems including their bg test should highlight or indicate if diabetes is the cause your excess water drinking etc;
If your Doctor is one of those that don't like to be told his job,tread carefully yet positive.
Also ask for copies of your blood test results (when they come),there are handy to keep for reference.

Best of luck on Friday.

Roy, :)
 
Hi Emmy and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information which pav mentioned which we give to new members. I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you need to and there will be some members who can help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi. Yes, I'm afraid you are likely to be diagnosed with diabetes. As you are not overweight and young I think you also need to be prepared for the diagnosis to possibly be Late onset Type 1 and not Type 2. I'm not a doctor so it's for the GP to diagnose you but I think it's wise to be aware of the possibilities so you can be prepared to ask the right questions. Daisy has provided a lot of useful advice and info. If you want to know more do come back and ask.
 
Well ...

I managed to get a Doctors appointment yesterday instead of today, so I went in yesterday & the Doctor asked me a load of questions I explained my symptoms etc ... He took a urine test & it came back clear but I was on my period & he did say that sometimes being on your period can give invalid results but he basically said as no sugar has shown up in your urine it is very unlikely that you have diabetes.

He took blood from the my vein in my arm and put it into three separate tubes but he was very rushy with me and didn't tell me what I was being tested for but he said ring back tomorrow and your results will be back. I drove back from the Doctors to my friends house who is a diabetic to tell him what they had said, as I walked into his house he had said that I looked rather unwell and asked me if the Doctor had pricked my figure just to see what my reading was at the time I said no & my friend did it for me I was 18.4. I had eaten a couple of hours before but only a bowel of cereal.

I'd gone home about two hours later & tested myself on my meter & I was lower then 18.4 but still quite high.

I rang the Doctors today like told to do so ... The receptionist told me that yes my bloods had come in but she wanted to get my Doctor to ring me back. Waited two hours and a Doctor did ring me back but it wasn't my Doctor it was just a random Doctor at the surgery she just said Hi Emmy, I'm so & so .. all your blood have come back fine. Your Doctor hasn't had chance to check them yet so I've just had a quick look That was it really.

So ... I'm back to square one really I still feel unwell and extremely thirsty. I tested this morning before I ate & before I rang the surgery & I was 12.6 - maybe I have a virus coming on or something ...

Everybody is so lovely on here so thank you very much for your comments.
 
Sugar in urine is not a good indicator of whether or not someone is diabetic as we all have different thresholds for when sugar begins to spill into the urine
Best test is either glucose tolerance or hba1c which give more accurate indicators - in my experience its 3-4 days to get results for hba1c from the Lab and glucose tolerance takes several tests over the course of several hours - I'd be asking what specific tests your gp had done
 
Hi. How confusing for you. You could ask the surgery reception for the blood test result; they are obliged to give it to you (mine does) and see the info on this website to see what the reading means if it included an HBa1C test. Yes, a urine test is very quick check but not a good diabetes test.
 
As the others have said, I would go back and see a doctor preferably a different one as in my opinion he should of done a finger prick test.

You could pop into a chemist that do finger prick tests and get their opinion as I all adds weight on your side when you see a doctor.

Forgot to say before I was diagnosed I did a pee test and it was all clear, after that it took a good while before they actually diagnosed me as diabetic.
 
Keep at it! Im in the same situation as you; 20, slim and the doctor is not interested in pursuing diagnosis. No doubt you must be feeling like **** a lot of the time. My between meal levels aren't as high as yours do can't take my own advice, but if I were you I'd take my meter to an appointment and test right there in front of the doctor if they won't finger prick you.

You need help and I pray someone will listen and give it to you xxx let us know how it goes and the start of your journey lowering those numbers x


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Emmy you are getting lots of good guidance here - you need to get a second opinion from your GP team. Typically one of the GP team will lead on diabetic issues and you really need to see them. Have you got any other symptoms? I was diagnosed after complaint about an infected cut that would not heal - no other symptoms but my GP at the time was alert. What they do hate though is Internet trained self diagnosis - why study for 7 years to qualify if us lot can work it out in 7 seconds - the answer is that we all know that your GP is not a type II diabetic


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Thank you all for your comments, everybody is so lovely & helpful on here.

In response to Neil, I am extremely thirsty all the time, my car is full of empty bottles of water that I have been drinking for the last two weeks. I go to the toilet a lot but I just figured that is because I'm drinking a lot more. I've started to feel really unwell and had to take a few days of work because of it which is very unlike me as I enjoy my job & rarely have days of.

I think I'm going to go to my local chemist who I know do finger prick test and will go from there.

Emmy. x
 
A strange thing I found about the thirst and the wee is that I remeber it seeming the wrong way round. I had got to the stage of taking 3 2L bottles of water to work each day. By the end it didn't seem that I was peeing due to too much water, but every time I went the loo I felt empty and the need to drink...

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Looking again at your results at the beginning of the thread it does look pretty obvious but if you are finding it difficult to get the readings down try a light walk for an hour after your breakfast which should help to reduce your post meal highs


Diagnosed type II 1998 2 x 80 mg Gliclazide, 4 x 500mg Metformin and 1 x 100mg Sitagliptin
 
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