ACV and high carb meal

benny0410

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I've been diagnosed with type 2 since last August. Now I am on metformin 500 twice a day. In February my hba1c was 7.4. My fasting glucose usually above 7. I am a bit upset about this so I googled and learnt about apple cider vinegar on diabetes. As I dig I couldn't find any solid verdict of what ACV can really do. So one night I prepared myself a little experiment.

Before meal at 20:00 5.6
2 pizzas from pizza express shared with my wife
1 chicken salad
During the meal I have 1/2 cup of sparkling water mixed with 3 tsp of Heinz ACV
At 23:55 reading was 7.1 (last time I had pizza was well above 9)
Next morning it was 6.4 ( usually around 6.8 and 7.8)

I will definitely try again to see if ACV can counteract the glucose spike on high carb diet as people declare on the Internet.

Anyone got any experience.
 
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CarbsRok

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With due respect eating pizza is hardly a good idea is it? Have a good look at the type of carbs you are eating and the amount. That way you will find it a lot easier to lower your blood sugars.
 

Pinkorchid

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Well something worked as your levels after eating the pizza was much better than the last time you had one You will have to try the cider vinegar with other foods to see if it works with them
 
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catinahat

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Hello Benny0410 welcome to the forum
Congratulations for using you meter to see how your meals are affecting your blood sugar.
The results of your experiment might seem encouraging, but your bs levels were still way above your pre meal level almost 4hrs later.
At 11:55 your levels would have been falling so you have no idea how high the pizza caused your blood sugar to go. If you had tested at 1hr, 2hr and maybe 3hr post meal, you would have had more meaningful results.
I'll tag @daisy1 , she will let you have some really useful information for new members
 
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daisy1

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@benny0410

Hello Benny and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I think you will find it helps you to sort out your levels a bit more using the info on carbs which it includes.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 140,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.