That sounds awful! What was the high BP you and the nurse took?I was told I was pre-diabetic during a checkup in late 2017. I was diagnosed T2 early 2019 when doc decided to do a spot check on bloods because I had been complaining of itching skin which I had had for a few years so should not have been diabetes related. Initial HbA1c was 54, a second confirmatory HbA1c came in at 52. Just before diagnosis I had seen a tv programme about the Newcastle diet. On diagnosis, I read all I could on Roy Taylor trials and decided that a VLC diet was something I could do as I was used to VLC diets, 800 to 1000 cals being the norm for me when I was trying to lose weight - I didn't use shakes rather I was having salads and soups and things. I understood that exercise was good so I was also using an airwalker for around an hour a day. No problem with the diet until one day my blood pressure hit the roof and I was also started having palpitations. I got a shock when I checked my BP so phoned an emergency appointment with my GP. Initially a nurse took my blood pressure and my pulse then went running for the doc. My doc said he thought I had gone into starvation mode - he reckoned the exercise was probably taking up 300 of my 800 cal intake. Doc told me I could continue the diet but if I was exercising, to up my cals to 1000 a day. I also needed to have a Holter test as it was suspected that I may have developed atrial fibrillation. Tests showed it was an ectopic heartbeat which fortunately is not so bad. I lost 10kilos in weight whilst on the low cal diet, this was around 12% of my body weight so I was hoping for a good result when my next HbA1c (3months after diagnosis) came around. That HbA1c came back at 47 which was quite disappointing. I actually believed at the time that I could reverse my diagnosis, and whilst 47 was better than 52 it was certainly not the "cure" I was hoping for. I also found that as a result of the diet I had lost all my muscle strength and was as weak as a kitten. After the 8 weeks I changed to a low carb diet and by 8 months I had lost around 22 kilos well over 15% of body weight and got my diabetes under control but I do have to be very strict low carb to keep my bloods in order. I went from being pre-diabetic to T2 by following the dietary advice given to me by the HCPs so for me Low Carb is the only way to go.
As I’ve said in another thread, I’ve had T2 since 2008 and this year with reduced carbs and exercise have lost a lot of weight and my hba1c is at 38If anyone has any advice for me I should be pleased to hear it. I have been doing a vlc diet for a bit over a month now and am desperate for it to succeed, though as I have had T2 for 4 years now, I understand that my chances of success are correspondingly reduced, as too many of my beta cells could have been damaged by now.
Bearing in mind my BP has always been ok, when I checked at home it was reading 189 over something - I was so shocked at the 189 I didn't take a note of the bottom reading. I didn't see the results of the reading at the surgery just know the nurse hurried out to find the doc and he came straight in to see me.That sounds awful! What was the high BP you and the nurse took?
I don't know. I stopped testing after a few months. Shan't make that mistake this time though.As I’ve said in another thread, I’ve had T2 since 2008 and this year with reduced carbs and exercise have lost a lot of weight and my hba1c is at 38
So I don’t know about beta cell damage but in at least me, way over 4 years had success so I wouldn’t rule that out. Have you had significant hyperglycaemia over those 4 years?
Yes these diets always were dangerous. I can't see what's changed now to make them healthy all of a sudden. Professor Taylor seems fixated on pancreatic fat, but there's more to T2 than that. As your link points out there's also insulin resistance and fatty liver. Overall health can take a battering from this sort of diet too.This is an interesting although quite old study..
You may not be doing yourself any favours at all.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/1056872794000778
Their diet was allegedly about 800 cals..
Yes, I am aware that vlcal diets can lead to a slightly reduced Basal Metabolic rate afterwards. This can be mitigated or even prevented by ensuring adequate protein intake during and after the diet, and also exercising to increase muscle bulk. In any case worst case scenario is it would mean the person could eat slightly less than previously. A tiny price to pay for something as major as reversing this awful disease!Don't do it?
Could lead to a permanently reduced RMR.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4989512/
Yes, I have never understood Prof Taylor's fixation with pancreatic fat. I also don't understand the science behind following Calories which are best left to slimming companies and their marketing. It is well known that Carbs are the biggest contributor to stored body fat and, of course BS gain. Fat doesn't contribute much to either. Why follow a measure, Calories, which includes fat rather than just concentrating on the Carbs. It's a mystery to me. Sadly the NHS is also following the Calories path.Yes these diets always were dangerous. I can't see what's changed now to make them healthy all of a sudden. Professor Taylor seems fixated on pancreatic fat, but there's more to T2 than that. As your link points out there's also insulin resistance and fatty liver. Overall health can take a battering from this sort of diet too.
In fact I suspect if I had never tried to be below a BMI of less than 24 I would not have become diabetic at all
People don't necessarily choose the easiest diet - and low cal diets certainly DO require a great deal of sustained self discipline.Don't do it?
Could lead to a permanently reduced RMR.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4989512/
if you have not had T2 for long enough for your beta cells to be damaged beyond repair, it offers reversal of T2 rather than simply reducing blood sugar on a day by day basis.
I thought that too. I found out the hard way that Professor Taylor was wrong in my case.People don't necessarily choose the easiest diet - and low cal diets certainly DO require a great deal of sustained self discipline.
However I think it's worth it because if you have not had T2 for long enough for your beta cells to be damaged beyond repair, it offers reversal of T2 rather than simply reducing blood sugar on a day by day basis.
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