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<blockquote data-quote="bulkbiker" data-source="post: 1563491" data-attributes="member: 219467"><p>I thought that part of the ND was a permanent restriction of calorie intake for life of about 33%? I am sure I have heard Prof Taylor say this or have read it in one of the studies. This is one reason why I'm not convinced that it is a long term solution.</p><p></p><p>However the main problem I find with the ND is that so far the actual studies Counterpoint 2011 and Counterbalance 2016 have involved about 41 people in total. Counterpoint was 11 to do proof of concept and Counterbalance was 30.</p><p>Counterpoint only did it for 8 weeks and so far as I know the participants were never followed up. At least I have never found any reference to it.</p><p>Counterbalance was followed up after 6 months and of the original 30 participants 13 were still "non diabetic" after this period. So a success rate of 43%.</p><p>From the two studies a whole plethora of people have tried to replicate the success of these experiments. To make claims based on such small studies seems a bit dangerous to me. Of the people here who have also done it there are seemingly few who claim to have "reversed" their diabetes by following this route ([USER=100904]@Pipp[/USER] ,[USER=96315]@andcol[/USER] and douglas who no longer seems to be here.)</p><p>Are any members of the original trial groups members here?</p><p> The LCHF way of eating seems to me to me far more sustainable long term and to have achieved anecdotally a far greater rate of success. Just read the success stories on this forum, Dr Fungs website, the ketogenic forums and diet doctor to name but four.</p><p>Even after the current Direct study which should be published in 2018 fewer than 400 people will have done the "official" Newcastle Diet so even then I would say this is far to few to draw any strong conclusions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bulkbiker, post: 1563491, member: 219467"] I thought that part of the ND was a permanent restriction of calorie intake for life of about 33%? I am sure I have heard Prof Taylor say this or have read it in one of the studies. This is one reason why I'm not convinced that it is a long term solution. However the main problem I find with the ND is that so far the actual studies Counterpoint 2011 and Counterbalance 2016 have involved about 41 people in total. Counterpoint was 11 to do proof of concept and Counterbalance was 30. Counterpoint only did it for 8 weeks and so far as I know the participants were never followed up. At least I have never found any reference to it. Counterbalance was followed up after 6 months and of the original 30 participants 13 were still "non diabetic" after this period. So a success rate of 43%. From the two studies a whole plethora of people have tried to replicate the success of these experiments. To make claims based on such small studies seems a bit dangerous to me. Of the people here who have also done it there are seemingly few who claim to have "reversed" their diabetes by following this route ([USER=100904]@Pipp[/USER] ,[USER=96315]@andcol[/USER] and douglas who no longer seems to be here.) Are any members of the original trial groups members here? The LCHF way of eating seems to me to me far more sustainable long term and to have achieved anecdotally a far greater rate of success. Just read the success stories on this forum, Dr Fungs website, the ketogenic forums and diet doctor to name but four. Even after the current Direct study which should be published in 2018 fewer than 400 people will have done the "official" Newcastle Diet so even then I would say this is far to few to draw any strong conclusions. [/QUOTE]
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