All women with the "hunter" gene get gestational diabetes.

busydiabeticmum said:

My disagreement is not with low carb healthy fat diet... it is with the sweeping generalisation. I have also seen the blood group diets etc... this seems to be a similar thing to that. I can't do your research for you... go on the site and speak to the people in the forum who CAN'T do low carb and they will be able to give you more info.

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I am thinking about modifying my statement on my web site from (paraphrase) all type 2 diabetics may be controlled by a very low sugar/starch/alcohol diet to most type 2 diabetics may be controlled by a very low sugar/starch/alcohol diet. I am a nut I only do this form of research and/or try and understand macro-economics. My latest (contribution?) is that there is usually very limited economic mobility. You are born into some economic class and most (not all) people are (doomed?) to stay in that economic situation. There are times when this isn't true. After the second world war ,at least in the U.S., there was a limited shake up of the economic classes. I can point to other times when this was also true.

lucylocket61 said:

tell that to all the type 2 people I know who low carb as far as they can go, and still need meds and even insulin. Your belief is simply untrue.

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Thinking about it I guess that people with the standard reactive hypoglycemia might get very low blood sugar episodes with a strict low-carb diet. I also have found out that some people probably start their insulin release with much lower blood sugar than is usually true. They also could have problems.

lucylocket61 said:

tell that to all the type 2 people I know who low carb as far as they can go, and still need meds and even insulin. Your belief is simply untrue.

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I have 3 thoughts. People with the standard reative hypoglycemia could end up with very low blood sugar with a low carb diet. Some people have an insulin reaction with much lower blood sugar than is usual might have problems. Some people may overdo the liver changing fat into sugar they would not control their diabetes with a low-carb diet.

Lamont D said:

I have Reactive Hypoglycaemia, the same as you!
We all differ in small details but we both have the same reaction to what we eat!
You have the same symptoms!
You have not I believe been seeing an endocrinologist for some years.
The point I'm making is you insist on a genetic answer to the condition, myself and my endocrinologist disagree with your theory. He is a specialist endocrinologist who has experience with more than twenty RH patients, mostly women.
He has done extensive research into gestational diabetes, and the concurrent symptoms with Hypoglycaemia.
He has other patients with Hypoglycaemia, which differ from RH, the likes of hyperinsulinaemia, insulinoma, pancreatic cancer, pancreatitis and other pancreatic conditions.
So who do I believe is nearer to the truth, you or my specialist?

Our condition just over a decade ago, was not called Late Reactive Hypoglycaemia, it was termed idiopathic hypoglycaemia. Why because idiopathic means no known cause. Since then, some basic research has been done along with other types of hypoglycaemia. And in due course the testing, diagnostic procedure and how to treat the various hypoglycaemic and pancreatic conditions have altered as we learn more about the condition.

Where we agree is not to let the condition take over our health by eating the right foods so that we don't get ill!

You are right to try to get answers, but do keep an open mind that the 'hunter gene' is not the answer you have been searching for all these years.

I have a large family and we do have some health problems, for instance my grandson has Kleinfelters syndrome.
So if RH is genetic, why am I the only one?
Out of thirty two people in my immediate family, only myself has this condition!
None of my female relatives has suffered from gestational diabetes!
I can't prove it of course, but I doubt if my condition is hereditary!

Best wishes

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I wrote before I thought. My cousin is the only person I am aware of in my family who has the "hunter" gene. My cousin got my form of reactive hypoglycemia at about the same time I did (virus?). She controlls her blood sugar to prevent our symptoms, particularly in pregnancy. She did not have a high blood sugar when they measured it during pregnancy but she doesn't know if she had gestational diabetes or not. My ant was pregnant before blood sugar was checked. My father never was checked for blood sugar during pregnancy. The "hunter" gene seems to be dominant. The "hunter" gene is rare in our societies. The only clue you might have is was your father (less likely your mother) fat in old age? I also think you should ask Indians about gestational diabetes in India. Fat Indian women, in my area, talk to each other about controlling blood sugar during pregnancy. A man from India volenteered that "1/2 the people in India are prediabetic but they do not get diabetes". He also told me that his wife's blood sugar was fine when she ate one type of grain in pregnancy but spiked dangerously with a similar grain.

Lamont D said:

Two things!

I am not standard RH and my family other than one brother has had T2 diabetes.
Therefore not auto immune!
Or genetic!
I have been told by my endocrinologist and others on this website, that if I controlled my RH, I would NOT become diabetic.
It is so logical, that my health has improved so much, that if I continue to avoid the food that I cannot tolerate, there is no reason whatsoever, that my health will continue to be as good as it is now!

Reactive Hypoglycaemia is not or never will be auto immune.
Reactive hypoglycaemia is a condition of the gut brain trigger to counter the imbalance of glucose in either first insulin response or the secondary insulin response.
Reactive Hypoglycaemia does cause T2 because of uncontrolled hyperinsulinaemia.

There are different types of hypoglycaemia, I have 'Late Reactive Hypoglycaemia'!
If you have read the threads in our forum, you will find that none of the others diagnosed posters are exactly the same.
It is logical because of environmental, ethnic and individual food choices, and of course the gut bacteria, that we are so different and unique that to claim that there is a 'standard' is beyond definition.
I am unique and weird, because it is so rare, especially in men!

Most women have the symptoms especially in pregnancy but it is a common condition. But they call it Gestational diabetes not RH, simply because that is the condition and not any type of hypoglycaemia, though they do get hypos, just as all types of diabetes if the conditions are right!

As I've said before, having hypos does not mean hypoglycaemia.
Having hyperinsulinaemia does not mean you have diabetes or RH!
Each diagnosis found forms part of the whole.
That is why getting invaluable hospital tests is vital in finding a true diagnosis, not one dreamed up on the musing of a doctor forty years ago.

Best wishes

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We have RH from 2 different causes. My problem is due to an overshoot from the insulin response. I get this if I eat a lot of sugar/starch/alcohol. Due to my genetics the actual major insulin response is about 3 hours after eating a lot of SSA. When I went to probably the world class doctor he said he did not know about my type of symptoms. If I eat a smaller amount of SSA I get chronic fatigue. I figured it all out for myself and all the doctors who have read my web site do not contradic anything I say. The 2 doctors who actually said anything were wildly impressed.

Lamont D said:

I too have an overshoot from my second insulin response because of the first insulin response is too weak. But mine is just over an hour. That is the only difference but a big one. It is not genetic, otherwise it would be more prevalent.
Anyone with a metabolic imbalance will be asymptomatic of fatigue.
Since going into ketosis, my fatigue has disappeared, and my energy levels are excellent.
I couldn't have figured it out, I didn't even know how ill I was, because of the misdiagnosis, everyone thought it was the diabetes. Of course it wasn't.
My endocrinologist saved my life, he has written papers on a lot of metabolic conditions, including gestational diabetes and hypoglycaemic conditions.
I was very fortunate to find him.

Best wishes.

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Talk to my cousin. She has been told after pregnancy that from her glucose tolerance test (gtt) she was sure to get diabetes within 2 years (what a bunch of fools). She had the same autoimmune response I got at about the same time as I did in 1957 (virus? she didn't tell anyone for many years) and has many of my symptoms ever since. I do have an initial insulin response but I am insulin resistant most of the time and it doesn't show up in my gtt. We have different problems. Thanks for pointing out that the other form of RH also leads to fatigue. I will have to think about why? In a sense our bodies have the same sort of problem which leads to fatigue. My expert thinks my analysis that everyone has the ability to produce hormones that create insulin resistance fits all the facts. Your expert is probably 1 of the reasons I can not advertise my web site in scientific journals. The number of hits per day of my web site (advertise on google to medical professionals in the U.S. and India, if you want I can give you my email address in private and tell you the name of my web site if you ask) is slowly increasing. My theory is different but possibly consistent with his/hers. I wonder at what point enough people will agree with my theories that the medical establishment will have to take notice.

I think I should explain more. I lost 20-25 lbs (8 kg?) in about 2 months and had (have) an overactive bladder. I developed my fatigue symptom. This also happened to my cousin. This is the standard symptoms for destroying one type cell. In this case it is probably a cell of the adrenal glands. I guess that both forms of RH have the same type cell destroyed for whatever reason. I have figured out that all humans can generate the same hormones as appears in the placenta somewhere else in the body (explains too much). These hormones in all humans are used to prevent an overshoot of insulin. They are also used in all humans before we have an emergency dump of sugar from the liver. The cell destroyed is used in the probably complicated chemistry that has these hormones used during the insulin reaction. People with RH do not produce the hormones on schedule. We do produce the hormones in case of a sugar emergency. In my type of genetics (probably about 15% of the worlds population, probably the way we first processed sugar) the hormones stay on until our blood sugar gets too high. The normal population turns off the hormones as soon as they have done their job. I get tired because if I have my large insulin release before the effects of my hormones are completely dissipated (not a very large amount of sugar, after all I produce them for a long time) then I do not turn on the hormones (no emergency sugar situation) and my body keeps trying to turn on the hormones (it finally succeeds but I get exhausted).