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Animas Vibe CGM

MushyPeaBrain

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Hello

I had an Animas 2020 but the screen started to fail and Animas replaced it with an upgraded Vibe at no charge. So now I can access CGM if I'd like.

Do anyone have current info on funding costs for the CGM with Vibe?

Anyone on the Animas CGM I'd be interested to hear your feedback - good and bad!!
 
Hi I posted the same question a few months back, there is a bit in the blood glucose monitoring bit of the forum where everyone gave their thoughts. I was very impressed and am looking forward to getting one just have to save up a bit more first.
Laura
 
MushyPeaBrain said:
Hello

I had an Animas 2020 but the screen started to fail and Animas replaced it with an upgraded Vibe at no charge. So now I can access CGM if I'd like.

Do anyone have current info on funding costs for the CGM with Vibe?

Anyone on the Animas CGM I'd be interested to hear your feedback - good and bad!!

I am on the Animas 2020, but have been told I should ask for a replacement pump, as my buttons have been sticking, and are getting worn. The nurse said they don't make the 2020 anymore, does that mean they might offer me the vibe, how are you finding it?
 
Hi Jagger

That's right they aren't making the 2020 and they would be replacing your pump anyway because the 2020 has a software fault that means it will stop working at the end of next year (you should have had a letter about that).

The vibe is pretty much the same apart from a few tweaks. Some of the menus have moved which threw me at first because you do things so automatically that I kept going into the wrong part. Also when you do EzCarb it prefills the bolus amount, which is mildly annoying for me as I bolus in smaller stages to avoid site stinging (e.g if prefilled 5u I would bolus 2.5 then wait then the other 2.5)

The pump is also slightly bigger but I don't notice it anymore. Overall it's great and I've always been pleased with the Animas pump. Looking forward to trying to get a CGM now :)
 
Thanks for your reply, I am getting the animas vibe tomorrow, although will have to wait for a hospital appointment to change over the data from my old one. Have you had any joy finding out about CGM funding, I would welcome the chance to get better overall control?
 
Sensors are £47 each and supposed to last 7 days. They have lasted up to 23 days at a time.

The transmitter is ~£380 and is guarranteed for 6 months but the first one we had lasted ~ 9 months.

It's good thing to have and makes a difference to hba1c but not cheap.

Good luck getting funding, you'll need it !!!

We self fund.
 
By comparison what is the true cost of test strips and manual meter?

Assuming ten manual tests a day, that's 300 strips a month.

I think that's a reasonable estimate based on pre/post meal, pre-bed, driving, sports, snacks etc.
 
davidlancaster said:
Sensors are £47 each and supposed to last 7 days. They have lasted up to 23 days at a time.

The transmitter is ~£380 and is guarranteed for 6 months but the first one we had lasted ~ 9 months.

It's good thing to have and makes a difference to hba1c but not cheap.

Good luck getting funding, you'll need it !!!

We self fund.


Good for you, but not everybody can afford to self fund, what about people on limited incomes, what are we supposed to do? I suffer from hypo unawareness, other day I went down to 1.6, and had no idea, I shall be asking my consultant about this.
 
It is very difficult to get NHS funding for a CGM, @jagger38. Hypo unawareness is one of the criteria, but it is an uphill struggle. Running a CGM is expensive and this would have to come out of your GP's limited budget so they would need to be convinced.

By the way I can't get the sensors for £47. Where do you get them for that price @davidlancaster? I am paying just under £65 each, in packs of four from Advanced Therapeutics, who I thought were the only supplier?

It's a good point about the cost of strips @ElyDave, but keep in mind with a CGM you are still using a minimum of 2 strips a day, preferably 4 a day, to keep the sensor calibrated. You are also never supposed to make a treatment decision (including any insulin dose) without doing a finger stick test. Having used the CGM in real life I think this is good advice. So the economic argument isn't ten strips a day vs the sensor cost, it's ten strips (or whatever) vs the sensor cost plus maybe 4-6 strips. Still the sensor costs me about £6/day in practice (10 days average use) or officially about £9.25/day (7 days official use). I think strips for the most expensive meters cost the NHS about a quid each? So if you were consistently using more than 16 strips a day there would be an economic case for the NHS to fund CGM sensors (factoring in another £1/day for the transmitter and ignoring the purchase cost of the CGM, probably another £1/day over its operating lifetime).

Probably however your GP would just tell you to use fewer strips. I actually had mine phone me up telling me I was using too many strips. Partly because GPs just don't get T1 I think. But also because all GPs are under pressure to reduce their prescribing costs.

Because of the cost of the sensors I stopped using the CGM. I didn't realise that I would need a new transmitter every year whether I used it or not, so that was an unwelcome £380, and a waste of money on the first transmitter. All because the battery runs out. I thought they were going to swap the transmitter for free, recharge it at the factory, recondition it, send it out to someone else. That would be much too "green" I guess.

I am using the Dexcom G4 CGM again now that I have the Animas Vibe pump. Because of the cost I'm aiming to use it one week per month, or however long one sensor lasts. I use it to check my basal pattern and ratios are correct. It's also very useful for spotting if an infusion set has failed. I just had a very bad case of DKA caused by two infusion set failures in a row. The canula didn't insert properly. If I had been wearing the CGM I would have spotted the infusion set failure and avoided the DKA. To me that's a good argument for the NHS to fund CGM for every pump user. Of course equally you could say it's an argument to stay on MDI. The NHS is not made of money after all. I'm incredibly grateful for everything they do fund. We are so lucky.
 
Good discussion Spiker, I hadn't considered the calibration costs.

Of course if you want a valid comparison of MDI and discontinuous testing vs pumps and CGM, you need to look more deeply than just the costs of the kit and look at issues like cost of ongoing care, hospital admissions due to DKA or severe hypos and long term complications.

All of those might lead you in one direction or another, but of course the NHS is only running from one budget year to the next, and politicians that set the budgets looking no further than the next election.
 
@ElyDave, I can't take the credit, these were objections I was given when I tried this argument on my GP. :-)

But you are right, one avoided DKA hospitalisation probably equals the cost of about a year's worth of sensors, I would think? Not to mention a current mortality rate of something like 0.8% - 2% per incident of DKA. :-(
 
It is very difficult to get NHS funding for a CGM, @jagger38. Hypo unawareness is one of the criteria, but it is an uphill struggle. Running a CGM is expensive and this would have to come out of your GP's limited budget so they would need to be convinced.

By the way I can't get the sensors for £47. Where do you get them for that price @davidlancaster? I am paying just under £65 each, in packs of four from Advanced Therapeutics, who I thought were the only supplier?

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£46 from Aminas directly and you can also get a starter kit (transmitter and 4 sensors) for £500 which makes the sensors a bit cheaper.
 
£46 from Animas directly and you can also get a starter kit (transmitter and 4 sensors) for £500 which makes the sensors a bit cheaper.

Fantastic! Thanks so much for that.

I had heard rumours of a loss-leader price from manufacturer.

With people reporting sensors lasting 20 days reliably, that could push the cost down to around £2. 50/day. Personally haven't seen a sensor last more than 10-11 days but I am going to raise my sights after reading of other people's success.
 
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FYI if you need any help with the CGM give me a shout, I've self funded for about 5 months now. (DONT LOOSE YOUR TRANSMITTER!!! lol I learned the hard way!)
 
MushyPeaBrain, you can alter the delivery rate, on the Vibe, from normal to slow, I've done this on mine because at points a large dose would sting. Just look in the advanced settings bits and you will find it in their.
 
FYI if you need any help with the CGM give me a shout, I've self funded for about 5 months now. (DONT LOOSE YOUR TRANSMITTER!!! lol I learned the hard way!)
Oh gosh yes I dread losing the transmitter. I chucked a sensor in the bin a few weeks ago without removing the transmitter first and had to grope in there to fish it out once I remembered.

Thanks for the kind offer!
 
Fantastic! Thanks so much for that.

I had heard rumours of a loss-leader price from manufacturer.

With people reporting sensors lasting 20 days reliably, that could push the cost down to around £2. 50/day. Personally haven't seen a sensor last more than 10-11 days but I am going to raise my sights after reading of other people's success.

I think the best I had was the last one which was 28 days, thats over a week longer than previous ones. Also a tip I was given was before removing if there is a problem stop and restart first. Saved me taking one off 10 mins after inserting it even though i reported it and aminas replaced it :happy:
 
Running a sensor for 28 days @Engineer88 do you take any special precautions for infection etc? My sensor site can get itchy after just a few days and I wonder if I should be spraying TCP in there or something? Or at least prepping the area with TCP. I'm wary of putting any liquid down there in case it shorts the contacts. And the adhesive is weak at the best of times without me washing it with a solvent!

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