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Another daily mail article on LC diet

Sid Bonkers said:
Exactely, thats what untested multivitamins are for arent they Scandichic?
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I think Scandi is referring to the variety of healthy foods available when you follow LCHF, rather than pots of tablets. Personally the whole point of LCHF for me is that you can ditch the tablets, and that includes the vitamins.
 
phoenix said:
We haven't changed much of our DNA within a generation, it doesn't 'work' like that..
What has changed seems to be the amount of calories is too great for many people to remain of normal fatness leading to the metabolic syndrome. What might very well also have changed is that every calorie ingested from over processed food (of any type) has more likelihood of being absorbed and stored than foods in the more natural state. They also take less energy to process. And as Scandichic points out too many are sedentary
(yet I have to say my grandchildren and their friends seem to be very active, they climb, they belong to the scouts/cubs. They walk quite a long distance to school and the shops and they ride their bicycles. They are also all thin)
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Can we say what diet is best for Health, yes say the authors of this review; but it isn't a diet where one element is overly restricted or emphasised, it is one based on natural foods, and tends to have a foundation of plants (but not necessarily exclusively plants)
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/full/10.1146/annurev-publhealth-032013-182351

Basically we have a bit of market research and a comment not a piece of academic research. That's the Daily Mail for you
What we don't know is what those Australians who identify with eating a low carb diet actually eat
They've done that in Finland and the majority actually ate quite a diverse diet including some grain (and some seemed to be only nominally low carb)
http://www.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi/files/5852/Artikkeli_lowcarbohydrate_Jallinoja_2014.pdf


.The grain lobby will have undoubtedly have 'seeded' this article into the press with a nice bit of marketing. That of course also applies to other pressure groups. For example a piece of research suggesting sat fat was good also got good coverage in the press and on here recently. This was sponsored by egg, meat and dairy producers plus the Atkins foundation The US beef industry appears to have commissio even documented their expected results . There is a link to the document here , (don't look at the whole blog post if an alternate view will give you apoplexy . The purpose is merely to give a link to the beef industry document http://carbsanity.blogspot.fr/2014/11/that-new-volek-phinney-study-part-ii_26.html
.If you use funding as an argument rather than looking the quality of the scientific evidence you have to be consistent.
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excess calories or is it the types of calories that are taken in excess? because fructose doesn't give an 'I've eaten' signal
a calorie is not a calorie..it's the biggest lie told
everyone..if you do nothing else in your life, spend an hour and a half with this video
Dr. Robert Lustig, UCSF Division of Pediatric Endocrinology, He argues that sugar and processed foods are driving the obesity epidemic, which in turn affects our endocrine system. Series: "UCSF Osher Center for Integrative Medicine presents Mini Medical School for the Public"

sugar/carb beat fat back in the 1970's.
atkins has gone main stream, flogging food supliments with bars and such....there was no science in the grain ad, it's blatantly a PR self promotion, at least the egg and meat board put a study or two in there
 
zand said:
I think Scandi is referring to the variety of healthy foods available when you follow LCHF, rather than pots of tablets. Personally the whole point of LCHF for me is that you can ditch the tablets, and that includes the vitamins.
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That's exactly the point I was making! Thank you!
 
Sid Bonkers said:
Exactely, thats what untested multivitamins are for arent they Scandichic?
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I wouldn't know! I don't take them! Get all my nutrients from my well balanced and varied lchf diet. As do my kids!
 
Scandichic said:
I wouldn't know! I don't take them! Get all my nutrients from my well balanced and varied lchf diet. As do my kids!
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Mine has just been trying to get her own back for the diet of donuts, by trying to kickbox me in the head.
At least when she was smaller I could just wrestle her to the floor. It's a sod when they grow up.
 
douglas99 said:
Mine has just been trying to get her own back for the diet of donuts, by trying to kickbox me in the head.
At least when she was smaller I could just wrestle her to the floor. It's a sod when they grow up.
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It's surprising how strong they are when they were small. I love donuts but they don't love me. The kids ask for one from lidl every now and then and they have one. If I'm going to have something then once in a while I share a raspberry bakewell from Costa. 2 mouthfuls which is enough. I am going to have a Yorkshire pudding and some Christmas pudd on Christmas day though! Got a lovely recipe for chilli (not sloppy as I don't put rice with it but I don't miss the rice! Thought I would but don't!) if you want it?
 
jack412 said:
about 2/3 of the population seem to have trouble with carbs at the moment, it's the minority that can eat them without effect
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Jack I was under the impression overall it was about 1/3 had trouble with high carbs based upon a normal amount of calories with some population groups as high as 95% - some Chinese groups have the highest incidents of typ2 withe the lowest mean BMI
 
runner2009 said:
Jack I was under the impression overall it was about 1/3 had trouble with high carbs based upon a normal amount of calories with some population groups as high as 95% - some Chinese groups have the highest incidents of typ2 withe the lowest mean BMI
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are you trying to confuse an old man :)
I was going on 2/3 are overweight or obese... uk, usa and aussies




just for something different...
have you seen dogs fed on high carb kibble?
fat-dog-1-boxer.jpg
 
Scandichic said:
It's surprising how strong they are when they were small. I love donuts but they don't love me. The kids ask for one from lidl every now and then and they have one. If I'm going to have something then once in a while I share a raspberry bakewell from Costa. 2 mouthfuls which is enough. I am going to have a Yorkshire pudding and some Christmas pudd on Christmas day though! Got a lovely recipe for chilli (not sloppy as I don't put rice with it but I don't miss the rice! Thought I would but don't!) if you want it?
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yes please, I like a good chilli. I tend to have kidney beans rather than rice now though.
(They also get stronger when they're bigger unfortunately)
 
jack412 said:
are you trying to confuse an old man :)
I was going on 2/3 are overweight or obese... uk, usa and aussies




just for something different...
have you seen dogs fed on high carb kibble?
fat-dog-1-boxer.jpg
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An interesting picture.

I'm sure you can provide the link to say this dog was specifically the result of a high carb diet, as you claim it is?
 
douglas99 said:
An interesting picture.

I'm sure you can provide the link to say this dog was specifically the result of a high carb diet, as you claim it is?
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LOL

No matter what he ate it was too much for too long that is for sure

Given most people don't want to spend the money on a high protein and fat diet for their pooch I'd bet it was a dry or wet kibel diet with main ingredient some form of veg protein
 
douglas99 said:
yes please, I like a good chilli. I tend to have kidney beans rather than rice now though.
(They also get stronger when they're bigger unfortunately)
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God help me then! Lol!
Here we go. I make a double portion and it feeds us for 2 days in a row. Enjoy!
Chilli

1 onion
Garlic butter to fry onion in
1 red pepper diced
1 heaped tsp hot chilli powder or 1 level tbsp mild chilli powder
1tsp paprika
1 tsp ground cumin
½ tsp dried marjoram
500g mince
1 400g tin of kidney beans
200g of pasata
1/2 tube tomato purée
Glug of red wine
Salt and pepper
1/2 Square of dark chocolate
Soured cream and grated cheese.

Dice 1 large onion and fry in garlic butter, stirring fairly frequently, for about 5 minutes, or until the onion is soft, squidgy and slightly translucent. Add the red pepper, 1 heaped tsp hot chilli powder or 1 level tbsp mild chilli powder, paprika, ground cumin and dried marjoram. Give it a good stir, then leave it to cook a couple of minutes.
Add and brown the minced beef. Add the rest of the ingredients and simmer for 30 minutes with the lid on.
You should check on the pan occasionally to stir it and make sure the sauce doesn’t catch on the bottom of the pan or isn’t drying out. If it is, add a couple of tablespoons of water and make sure that the heat really is low enough. After simmering gently, the chilli should look thick, moist and juicy.
Leave the chilli to stand for 10 minutes before serving.
Serve with soured cream and grated cheddar.
 
Actually it's the classic dog picture that appears in the 'more exercise, low fat, smaller portions, less treats' for your pet shock photo.
That's why I'm curious for jacks link to his carb claim.
 
Scandichic said:
God help me then! Lol!
Here we go. I make a double portion and it feeds us for 2 days in a row. Enjoy!
Chilli

1 onion
Garlic butter to fry onion in
1 red pepper diced
1 heaped tsp hot chilli powder or 1 level tbsp mild chilli powder
1tsp paprika
1 tsp ground cumin
½ tsp dried marjoram
500g mince
1 400g tin of kidney beans
200g of pasata
1/2 tube tomato purée
Glug of red wine
Salt and pepper
1/2 Square of dark chocolate
Soured cream and grated cheese.

Dice 1 large onion and fry in garlic butter, stirring fairly frequently, for about 5 minutes, or until the onion is soft, squidgy and slightly translucent. Add the red pepper, 1 heaped tsp hot chilli powder or 1 level tbsp mild chilli powder, paprika, ground cumin and dried marjoram. Give it a good stir, then leave it to cook a couple of minutes.
Add and brown the minced beef. Add the rest of the ingredients and simmer for 30 minutes with the lid on.
You should check on the pan occasionally to stir it and make sure the sauce doesn’t catch on the bottom of the pan or isn’t drying out. If it is, add a couple of tablespoons of water and make sure that the heat really is low enough. After simmering gently, the chilli should look thick, moist and juicy.
Leave the chilli to stand for 10 minutes before serving.
Serve with soured cream and grated cheddar.
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The chocolate is something I've never put in before.
 
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/canine-nutrition/dog-food-carbohydrates/

they have gone from 14% carb to 70% carb

http://www.bestcatanddognutrition.c...ery-bad-for-your-carnivore-cat-carnivore-dog/
Dr. Joe Demers, D.V.M – “A reason for overweight pets is what we feed our pet friends. Commercial pet food is anywhere between 45 percent to 65 percent carbohydrates (grains). Grains are the least expensive part of pet food and can fill the animal quickly. Dogs and cats are more carnivores than we humans are, and we are feeding them almost as much grain (or more) than we humans eat. I feel that this high-carbohydrate commercial pet food is the worst food we can feed our pet friends. Our pet friends need fresh meats, not dehydrated meat by-products.” You can read Dr. Demers’ comments and get more great info on cat and dog nutrition here.
 
We make our own dog food which is 65% meat. We thought that if we were eating properly, why shouldn't they?
 
jack412 said:
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/canine-nutrition/dog-food-carbohydrates/

they have gone from 14% carb to 70% carb

http://www.bestcatanddognutrition.c...ery-bad-for-your-carnivore-cat-carnivore-dog/
Dr. Joe Demers, D.V.M – “A reason for overweight pets is what we feed our pet friends. Commercial pet food is anywhere between 45 percent to 65 percent carbohydrates (grains). Grains are the least expensive part of pet food and can fill the animal quickly. Dogs and cats are more carnivores than we humans are, and we are feeding them almost as much grain (or more) than we humans eat. I feel that this high-carbohydrate commercial pet food is the worst food we can feed our pet friends. Our pet friends need fresh meats, not dehydrated meat by-products.” You can read Dr. Demers’ comments and get more great info on cat and dog nutrition here.
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So it's basically a random picture of a dog off the internet then?

(You can google it if you want to , and there as dozens of sites saying why the dog should be on a low fat high exercise regime as well)

Please post facts in future, instead of your own unsubstantiated claims.
 
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