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Another one joins the ranks of the new diagnosed

Covlocks

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Early days - newly diagnosed. Had my second meeting with the doctor today who was sympathetic but overall did not give much practical information except tell me to take daily asprin and gave me a prescription for a cholesteral reducer, even though its normal. Go back and see him in 2 months.

Passed on to nurse who tried the scare speech, told me I had to lose weight, grabbed my feet and said I could get gangrene if I did not look after them, told me I should never touch any sugar ever again,and after getting me to **** in a jar tutted like heck and said it was going to be a real struggle for me. I was told to expect an appointment for a dietician in a few weeks.

Ooh, and was told when she found out I am a part time patisiere and chocolatiere I should change my job or get someone else to taste my food.

I am confused, have been on the internet and read a whole bunch of contradictory information. I hope I can get some practical advice from here.
 
Welcome to this forum Covlocks.
You will find lots of good advice as you browse the forum :)

I understand how you feel, sort of at sea without a float......
I felt as if I had to find my own way at first, as I never saw a doctor after being diagnosed. Oh I had the diabetic nurse, saw a dietitian, attended the desmond course and got lots of conflicting information, but it was a good 6 months after being diagnosed I finally got to see my GP, who congratulated me on how well I had controlled my blood sugars after being diagnosed. :crazy:

I sometimes think a lot of medical staff are not experts on diabetes and how their advice (or lack of it) can affect us. :silent:

I joined this forum not long after I was diagnosed type 2 and tried a few of the suggestions that are here. I went out and bought my own testing kit (at that time my DN said I did not need one) and tested before and 2 hours after every meal to check on my blood levels. This way I came to understand what types of foods suited my new lifestyle and lowered my blood glucose. This helped a lot and also enabled me to loose some weight.

Often medical staff will not give a diet sheet or diet advice as every one is different. It is up to ourselves to find this out, but it is hard to do this without the right tools. :?
I came to the conclusion, that as this is my life, and I want to stay well, it was up to me to take control and keep my blood glucose in the recommended ranges (Which can be found on this website), it would be unfair to expect my doctor to cure problems I may cause myself by neglecting my diabetes, or having self denial that I have this disease.

I find the low carbohydrate diet suits me very well, although it does not suit all of us diabetics. Take a read through the forum, try some of the ideas, and see what suits you best.

Taking control of my own well being means I only see my DN twice a year, and she is very happy with my HbA1c, and has reduced my metform from 1500mg per day to 500mg per day.
 
Hi Covlocks and welcome to the forum :)

I think this information, which we give to new members, is the type of practical advice that you need. Ask all the questions you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Thats great - some good information that I have not received from the GP - perhaps I expected too much. He quoted some figures at me that I have to understand and put them in context, they were 8.3, 11.3 and 76. What they mean I donnot know yet, I shall spend some time this weekend browsing and trying to understand.
 
Your doc. and nurse have actually offered some good advice, it might be a bit scaremongery but they haven't fed you any Bull and have been direct and to the point.

We all have to manage our own diabetes, sure the doc and nurse can help, but it really is up to us, no one else can do it.

Asprin can be a very important drug for diabetics, we tend to suffer from more blood clots and they can cause strokes and heart attacks. Asprin helps prevent this. Statins are standard issue for newly diagnosed diabetics, they are sometimes criticised for causing side effects, I have been on them (lowish dose) for 10 years with no side effects.

You mention your doctor is sympathetic and that's good, it means you can always make an appointment and discuss any treatment options with him/her. That is what I do, I suggest something and if he agrees then I give it a try, if it doesn't work or doesn't suit me we try something else. That way I have a regime which suits me and keeps things under control.

Try and look at things from the docs point of view and ask questions if you don't understand.

You will get the hang of things as time goes by, numbers become understandable and then you can set targets and limits.
Most of all, listen to your doctor, they actually know a bit more than most of us :)

H
 
Hi. Whilst I sort of agree with hallii's comments on aspirin, it can have the downside of stomach bleeding if you take too often or too many. If you can keep your blood sugar within NICE guidelines it won't become sticky thru too much sugar and then none of the heart protecting meds are really needed including statins unless you have quite high cholesterol.
 
I suppose it's down to personal choice, I take 75 mg (prescribed)
which is a small dose and some research indicates that this dose could be reduced to 50% with the same benefits.

Blood clotting problems like heart attach/strokes are shown to be reduced by 30% and there is some evidence that certain cancers are reduced as well.

Again,Statins have other protective effects and a low dose might be considered beneficial for some people.

The damage that occurs to arterial walls (atherosclerosis) or hadening of the arteries is a factor in blood clots forming.
The build-up usually begins before the blood sugar level increases that occur in type 2 diabetes. In other words, heart disease has often established itself prior to a diagnosis of diabetes.

The subject of heart/arterial disease is a very complex one and I have to admit, beyond me!

However, it could be said that at the time of diagnosis of T2 the problems that relate to heart disease already exist to some extent.

So, as I said earlier, it is up to individual as to whether the doctors advice is taken as regards any medication. I happily take Asprin and Statins
having discussed the pros and cons with my doctor.

H
 
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