Another reason to watch those carbs...

[AliB]

I don't know how the 'Ezekiel' bread is made - never had any, but my understanding of sprouted grain bread is that it is best dehydrated rather than baked, as then the enzymes are all still intact - which is a big reason why you sprout it in the first place.....

If it is in a 'loaf' then it probably has been baked, but what I saw when I was doing research on this was that the ideal way is to make small round 'cakes' or biscuit shapes and dry them in a dehydrator or low oven.

In ancient times they probably built a bread oven out of clay and would have the experience of how hot it should be to cook the bread properly - and what - or how much fuel to use to get it to the right heat. Here we are in the 21st century totally reliant on our thermostats, and gadgets and gizmos, but these were intelligent people who learned through experience and passed down wisdom from one generation to the next.

I tell you what, if everything collapsed and Tesco et al wasn't there any more, they would have a darn sight better understanding of how to take care of themselves than we would. We have become way too dependent on this system.

The 'Human Planet' series featured people living in all sorts of environs in the Earth. In the one about life in the jungle there was a group that would build their houses 70 foot up in the trees. They had no theodolites, or spirit levels, or cranes, yet they would build sturdy structures up in the canopy - hauling all the timber up there by hand, and cutting it precisely with axes, with no University education, or architectural or quantity surveyor qualifications.

And we call them 'primitive'.....

We forget that the Human Race existed for thousands of years before our technological age, and believe it or not, they knew what they were doing a darn sight better than we do....

 

[AliB]

As far as lifespan is concerned, surely, if modern medicine was the panacea it is made out to be, no one would get sick any more and we would all be living until we are 125? With all this 'progress', where is our extended life-span?

Maybe some people do live into their 70s or 80s, but at what cost? Are they vibrant with health, or are they just being 'propped' up by drugs? It is no coincidence that very few people these days actually die of 'old age'. Dis-ease, gets most in the end, one way or another, drugs or not.

It seems that although they may have appeared to have eradicated many things (although one has to wonder if they have actually been eradicated or whether they are just laying 'dormant' awaiting a fresh attack - after all, tuberculosis, that was thought to have been eradicated is now rapidly increasing - and in a very virulent form), it seems every day that yet another 'new' disease pops up in their place.

Have we just ended up replacing one lot of dis-eases with another.......?

 

[Ka-Mon]

I don't know how the 'Ezekiel' bread is made - never had any, but my understanding of sprouted grain bread is that it is best dehydrated rather than baked, as then the enzymes are all still intact - which is a big reason why you sprout it in the first place.....

If it is in a 'loaf' then it probably has been baked, but what I saw when I was doing research on this was that the ideal way is to make small round 'cakes' or biscuit shapes and dry them in a dehydrator or low oven.

WHat you get then is not as we know it "bread" but rather a hard dry and crunchy "biscuit" which could probably be only eaten dipped in a cup of tea/soup or must at least be soaked with water. I don't believe that you can make a sarnie with a "biscuit" like that, not as we know it anyway.

In ancient times they probably built a bread oven out of clay and would have the experience of how hot it should be to cook the bread properly - and what - or how much fuel to use to get it to the right heat. Here we are in the 21st century totally reliant on our thermostats, and gadgets and gizmos, but these were intelligent people who learned through experience and passed down wisdom from one generation to the next.

Yes but even they had, for the time, their "gizmos" and what not, we now have more "Intelligent" "gizmos" and in the future what we use today will be "ancient" and people will look back and probably say the same as you have above.

Different times in history brought new inventions which then lead to new inventions which then lead to new "gizmos" that were needed to make life easier to cope with and in todays "busy, busy" world we could not exist without what we have, just don't have the time.

I tell you what, if everything collapsed and Tesco et al wasn't there any more, they would have a darn sight better understanding of how to take care of themselves than we would. We have become way too dependent on this system.

How many (western) families do you personally know that have the time to bake bread every day or even twice a week enough to last the whole week? Not many I don't think, maybe in families where only one partner earns enough so that the other can stay at home and take care of the kids/house and clean, cook etc. and on top of all that still find time to bake bread. But the again, the bread from shops is cheap enough so 99% of the time it's cheaper to buy ready baked bread.

The 'Human Planet' series featured people living in all sorts of environs in the Earth. In the one about life in the jungle there was a group that would build their houses 70 foot up in the trees. They had no theodolites, or spirit levels, or cranes, yet they would build sturdy structures up in the canopy - hauling all the timber up there by hand, and cutting it precisely with axes, with no University education, or architectural or quantity surveyor qualifications.

This just goes to prove that people will adopt to their environment and do the best they can inventing different technics as they go along and after a few centuries they will, more than likely, arrive at where we are today. It's human nature to try and find how to things more quickly and more easily. Even some animals use "tools" now, stones to break nuts and sticks to "fish" out ants, some birds even use cars on zebra crossings to crack the nuts for them, evolution does not stop, it can't, otherwise we probably would have been still in the stone gaes living in caves.

And we call them 'primitive'.....

By todays standards they were "primitive" but they still used their brains to eventually to "grow out" of this "primitive" stage, if they hadn't we really would still be living in caves like dragging women by the hairs behind us. :lol:

We forget that the Human Race existed for thousands of years before our technological age, and believe it or not, they knew what they were doing a darn sight better than we do....

No ALiB, we haven't forgotten that human race has exited for thousands of years before us, we also know that they knew what they were doing but give us (modern) people some credit please, we also know what we are doing. After all, we are communicating using the latest tecnology intead of bush drums or smoke signals, we don't have "pony mail" any longer either. That is only possible because someone somewhere had/has the brain to build a computer, stick some wires together and let billions of people communicate with each other instantly through Internet.

Do you have a washing machine at home? A dryer, dish washer, electric/gas cooker, other "gizmos"? You don't do everything by hand, do you? Would you have the time to get rid of all your "gizmos" and do everything by hand BTW?

Different times = different tecnology, everyoen has the "gizmos" they need to suit their life styles, even the ancient "primitive" humans.

 

[Ka-Mon]

As far as lifespan is concerned, surely, if modern medicine was the panacea it is made out to be, no one would get sick any more and we would all be living until we are 125? With all this 'progress', where is our extended life-span?

Ermmm...no, not quite right there. The thing is we do not start taking any medicine until we become ill. Medicine will and does (in most cases) help us to get over out illnesses so that we can live longer. Take cancer for instance, how long do you think you could live if you had cancer and refused to take any medication? You may think that the example of cancer I used is extreme but what about pneumonia, anaemia, T1 diabetes etc? It's not that long ago that diabetics were dying prematurely because insulin had not yet been invented.

Maybe some people do live into their 70s or 80s, but at what cost? Are they vibrant with health, or are they just being 'propped' up by drugs? It is no coincidence that very few people these days actually die of 'old age'. Dis-ease, gets most in the end, one way or another, drugs or not.

I know quite a few people in their 70s/80s who don't need to take any medication whatsoever. You are forgetting one thing though AliB, no one dies healthy, there is no such thing as "died a healthy death". At some stage in "Late" life, the body does become prone to illnesses/dieases and because the body is to olld and too tired to fight it it just gives up.

It seems that although they may have appeared to have eradicated many things (although one has to wonder if they have actually been eradicated or whether they are just laying 'dormant' awaiting a fresh attack - after all, tuberculosis, that was thought to have been eradicated is now rapidly increasing - and in a very virulent form), it seems every day that yet another 'new' disease pops up in their place.

Have we just ended up replacing one lot of dis-eases with another.......?

Sorry but this just sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. There (probably) are some men made diseases but I just don't buy that some "eradicated" disease/s is/are lying "dormant" waiting for a chance to "attack" again. Do "diseases" have brains to plan anything like that? I don't think so but then again, I am no scientist.