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<blockquote data-quote="Oldvatr" data-source="post: 2194431" data-attributes="member: 196898"><p>For me it was the average age of the participants of 70, At that age, it is a lifetime of potentlly abusive lifestyle habits, I am that age, and I am certainly not eating or drinking anything like I did 20 years ago. And NAFLD takes a while to build up, I believe. So asking what they consume today is probably not related to how they got NAFLD,</p><p></p><p>They claim to have done 3,800+scans for liver fat. Now we know that it is only recently that scientists have been able to use modified MRI scans to accuratley measure the NAFLD, so what method did they use. If it was ultrasound then that is very ineffective for doing quantitative measurements and misses most of the common forms of NAFLD - in fact it only really useful for cirrhosis diagnosis where the liver has almost died off, i.e. the ultimate stage 4 of NAFLD.</p><p></p><p>The ending is strange. Having asserted that meat protein is the culprit, the head researcher then goes off on a tangent blaming it solely on red meat and processed meat, although if that was the study finding it should have been made clear in the study writeup. This ending seems to indicate a certain bias creeping in on the coatails of this research. If it is there in the head mans brain, then it is likely to be in the research itself. There is no claims for independant oversight or peer review either. This is just a journalistic piece, so the bias may have been added by the journalist, but is worrying all the same. The actual report is not referenced, so we cannot check what it actually says, only what reuters says.</p><p></p><p>Note Erasmus University has gone vegetarian in all its faclilties. Meat is banned on campus, although apparently the staff canteens are allowed to offer cold meat to those staff registered with them. A rule for one, another for all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldvatr, post: 2194431, member: 196898"] For me it was the average age of the participants of 70, At that age, it is a lifetime of potentlly abusive lifestyle habits, I am that age, and I am certainly not eating or drinking anything like I did 20 years ago. And NAFLD takes a while to build up, I believe. So asking what they consume today is probably not related to how they got NAFLD, They claim to have done 3,800+scans for liver fat. Now we know that it is only recently that scientists have been able to use modified MRI scans to accuratley measure the NAFLD, so what method did they use. If it was ultrasound then that is very ineffective for doing quantitative measurements and misses most of the common forms of NAFLD - in fact it only really useful for cirrhosis diagnosis where the liver has almost died off, i.e. the ultimate stage 4 of NAFLD. The ending is strange. Having asserted that meat protein is the culprit, the head researcher then goes off on a tangent blaming it solely on red meat and processed meat, although if that was the study finding it should have been made clear in the study writeup. This ending seems to indicate a certain bias creeping in on the coatails of this research. If it is there in the head mans brain, then it is likely to be in the research itself. There is no claims for independant oversight or peer review either. This is just a journalistic piece, so the bias may have been added by the journalist, but is worrying all the same. The actual report is not referenced, so we cannot check what it actually says, only what reuters says. Note Erasmus University has gone vegetarian in all its faclilties. Meat is banned on campus, although apparently the staff canteens are allowed to offer cold meat to those staff registered with them. A rule for one, another for all. [/QUOTE]
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