Looking at that link, it appears that you are constantly grazing. So not really a fast, which I would regard as limiting food intake, not just calorie reduction. For me the advantage of using just shakes was that it was a simple drink 3 times a day. A sort of reset of mind set, too. With too much choice of drinks, meals and addition of snack I doubt I would have stuck with the programme. It seems to be very undisciplined. Also the follow on of two meals and a slimfast product each day looks as if the company wants to retain your custom. Which I guess it does. So it isn’t the short duration of 8 to 12 weeks using meal replacement products, as designated by the ND team. Got you forever.Found this on my travels, and wonder if it might make low carb keto diets any easier
https://slimfast.com/how-it-works
Note that Slimfast does not make any major claims for their products as regards diabetes blood sugar control except that it may help. They do not recommend its use by diabetics unless under medical supervision. But there may be some adventurous souls here.....
Yes, it does seem to be unstructured. It used to be simple 3 shakes a day, but I suppose they lost ground to other plans like Atkins that have all the added bells and whistles and nutribars. I was mainly interested in the keto range, which is why I posted in the Low Carb section, but I also see they do a Diabetics weight loss and bgl control range too. I suppose they are relying on this being something that dieticians and nutritionists would supervise, so they just supply products. This would explain why they make no claims.Looking at that link, it appears that you are constantly grazing. So not really a fast, which I would regard as limiting food intake, not just calorie reduction. For me the advantage of using just shakes was that it was a simple drink 3 times a day. A sort of reset of mind set, too. With too much choice of drinks, meals and addition of snack I doubt I would have stuck with the programme. It seems to be very undisciplined. Also the follow on of two meals and a slimfast product each day looks as if the company wants to retain your custom. Which I guess it does. So it isn’t the short duration of 8 to 12 weeks using meal replacement products, as designated by the ND team. Got you forever.
I am not aware of any connection between ND, DUK with Slimfast, which will allow for an indepedent source of info to compare. There are other meal replacement shake providers too.
I presume you meant these guys, not SlimfastThese guys claim that they were connected to DiRECT and 2 or 3 of the dieticians mentioned in the DiRECT study are shareholders..
https://www.counterweight.org
I looked at the ingredients of the Keto slimfast shakes. It uses MCF - or something like that. They dont state if this is coconut oil or palm oil.Found this on my travels, and wonder if it might make low carb keto diets any easier
https://slimfast.com/how-it-works
Note that Slimfast does not make any major claims for their products as regards diabetes blood sugar control except that it may help. They do not recommend its use by diabetics unless under medical supervision. But there may be some adventurous souls here.....
I presume you meant these guys, not Slimfast
https://www.cambridgeweightplan.co.nz/anthony-leeds
I presume it wasn't this lot, but there is a still hidden connection that is.I looked at the ingredients of the Keto slimfast shakes. It uses MCF - or something like that. They dont state if this is coconut oil or palm oil.
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Some of the names here might sound familiar to anyone familiar with DiRECT
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My virus checker refused this link.
Counterpoint sells shakes for ND, but who supplies them? The DIRECT study certiaunly seem to have used Cambridge Diet shakes, and there does seem to be a commercial tie in ir at least an NDA in place with them, Counterpoint is obviously set up to market ND, but they are unlikely to manufacture the products themselves.. I think what they sell is rebranded
I would be surprised if it was Slimfast which is the company I was talking about in the post you responded to. It is more likely to be Cambridge Diet. Is counterpoint the USA arm?
Who are Counterpoint.org. My browser just says it is forbidden. I get a popup that says it is blocked but gives no reason.
I suspect they will be very similar, and that keto may just be a rebranding marketing exercise since as has been discussed in another thread, these vlcal diets are in effect almost keto anyway. Although I don't use them myself, I can see the attraction to having one or two of these products as a standby since they keep quite well in the larder. I did just post an article giving someone's experience of using them and it seems that there are taste issues that may need supplementation, but it is not a showstopper it seems. It ain't gonna harm with the occasional sidestep to use one, its convenient, and pricey which in my circumstance is a limiting factor,I’m not sure the keto slimfast is the same as normal slimfast. I have the slimfast keto shake sometimes as a breakfast if I’m getting bored of my usual breakfast choice. Looking at the tub, it doesn’t say anything regarding the normal slimfast meal plan, I think it’s just a drink to support a keto lifestyle? I may be wrong, but that’s how I read it. Hope this is helpful.
I searched Company House records. only 4 or 5 Counterweight's in it, and none seemed to be viable, Not sure where you got that link from, but it does not have anything mentioning companies house in it, Seems to end up at a Swiss internet address. Please check the link in the post and verify it works for you.There is a tortuous route between what used to be the Cambridge Diet plan and Counterweight but they do have a least one person in common.
The link I posted is to Companies House which if you search for "counterweight" will give you the info you need.
Counterweight.org is UK based.. no idea why your brower doesn't like it.. maybe search for Counterweight?
OK found them on Linkedin. London based, 10 employees, 8 listed in Linkedin. Unlikely to be manufacturing themselves, so rebranding someone else's product range This is the NHS facing marketing organization at a guess and online sales. Wonder why they are not declaring the nutritional values - is that legal, I wonder? No vegetarian declaration either from what I could see.There is a tortuous route between what used to be the Cambridge Diet plan and Counterweight but they do have a least one person in common.
The link I posted is to Companies House which if you search for "counterweight" will give you the info you need.
Counterweight.org is UK based.. no idea why your brower doesn't like it.. maybe search for Counterweight?
Could you provide a link to this, please?The NICE guidelines say to eat often on Eatwell.
Yup you caught me out there. NICE used to define the diet in their guidelines, now they have referred out to dedicated dieticians to establish a lifestyle management plan. This is new to me since I was DX'ed some 30 years ago. Even 7 years ago I was referred to an NHS dietician because my GP was against me doing Low Carb, and I was introduced back to Eatwell, and that was where the mantra of regular eating and snacking was discussed as being required for a T2D, along with the 5-a-day message. I think the snax recommended to me at that session were nuts and fruit rather than biscuits and cakes, along with protein bars.Could you provide a link to this, please?
https://www.nhsinform.scot/healthy-living/preventing-falls/keeping-well/how-to-eat-wellCould you provide a link to this, please?
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