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Sarah, you have summed it up there with the words "This is the food I've always eaten' You have to be willing to change and it appears you aren't. However there is nothing we can do to make you so I'll leave it at that.

It would be a good idea to take a list of your foods at your next review although I wouldn't take anything that the majority of the diabetes nurses and docs say, most of them don't understand low carbing (fortunately my husband's does). We have told you pretty much what are the 'haves and have nots'

Keep us updated on how you are getting on

ladybird64 said:

I don't want to derail your thread Sarah but there is only so many times people can say the same thing. You say you can't/don't want to make changes (even though we all have to make changes to things that we don't necessarily like) so the ball is in your court.

You have mentioned that you are awaiting surgery for a hip replacement and are overweight, I would have thought that would be a good incentive to look at your diet again but it seems not.

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I agree. If some one is not prepared to face this and take advice given there is little else to say.

Topsec said:

Sarah, you have summed it up there with the words "This is the food I've always eaten' You have to be willing to change and it appears you aren't. However there is nothing we can do to make you so I'll leave it at that.

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Me too!

Sarah69 said:

I'm not sure why I should look at my diet in relation to waiting for a hip replacement that has nothing to do with it. I found the course confusing so I use a book to carb count.

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To be considerably overweight impairs the recovery from a hip replacement as the excess weight is detrimental, to be overweight prior to surgery is also putting strain on the joint at the moment.

High carb diet with practically nothing else included in it will put weight on anybody i should imagine which is why i suggested you look at your diet again in relation to your awaited hip surgery.

I am overweight by a lot but I don't eat a diet of spuds and pastry and suchlike, my downfall has been very rich sauces, picking at food all day, and too much pasta and rice. If I want to lose weight, I need to cut down on these items and change to some others alternatives to help with my health.

That is me, what you do with your diet is down to you. I can't add anymore to what has already been said many times so I hope you can find a solution to your difficulties.

I am going to add to this. The foods you have always eaten, and the only food that your children, one of which is an adult, will eat, will eventually lead to them having diabetes as well more likely than not.

As for your diet and the operation, obviously you will have a much higher chance of complications during the operation the bigger you are, and the more out of control your diabetes, the more likely you are to suffer post op complications.

Sarah

Im not sure whether to kill myself laughing at your messages or be extremely angry. If you know how to count carb, why are you not adjusting your insulin so that your bg levels balance out much better? Have you not read any of the messages on the forum about frequent bg monitoring and adjusting your insulin using an insulin to carbohydrate ratio? It's not hard to do if you care about your health. You say that you have two kids so I suggest very much that you take diabetes a bit more seriously otherwise you will end up being a complete liability to them. That is 100% guarantee and no I am not scaremongering.

Hello sarah.
Ever heard the saying of " you are what you eat " ????
So 'TRUE' !!!!!
I AVOID BEIGE FOODS like the plague 'SERIOUSLY'
Beige food 'kills' my digestive system and ALWAYS sends my blood sugars SOARING up to the ceiling !!!
I find a very low carb beige free eating plan and routine the BEST way forward for me .
Excuses excuses excuses are just empty words when it comes to living life as a diabetic .
There always comes a day and time when it WILL impact with poor diet hidden with excuses catches up ...
NOT GOOD and TOO LATE then . . . . damage been done!
The forum have been so generous and helpful with advice honestly and kindly given, your own choice at the end of the day!
Anna.

Atkins does one. That may help.

Sarah69 said:

Can anyone recommend please a low carb book that sets out menus and is just English food mainly.

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Well done Sarah can't help with the book but asking that question may have just added YEARS to your life. Brilliant. I hope others will pile in and help you out. Take care.

Hi Sarah, well I read your posts with interest and frustration.
I too struggled with what to eat 'if I got diabetic eating what I eat now then it has to be changed'. However Ive been veggie for 5 yrs now so I wondered what I could change. My problem was I never ate breakfast - I do now and in 3 mths have lost 1 stone, I do excercise but not excessively.
Change 1 thing at a time eg breakfast have boiled eggs with burgen bread, or an omlette with cheese or ham, poached eggs. But do cut out the potatoes and have cauli rice instead its lovely with butter and salt and pepper.
Good luck honey.

The GL Diet Made Easy: How to Eat, Cheat and Still Lose Weight
Nigel Denby (11 Sep 2009)
The GL Diet For Dummies
Nigel Denby (7 April 2006)

Not low carb; low glycemic load. This is what Pneu and I were talking about earlier in the thread.

Books by Denby have been recommended in the past by other forum members. The GL Dummy Book also gets a good review from several people on another UK forum. He has also written a cook book but these books have menu plans.

If you go to amazon you can preview some of the content . Look at their indexes and you will be able to see the recipes they include. It might help you judge whether you might like them.
(it would be a good idea to do this with other books people suggest and have a look a the reviews as well)

I also came across this one which also gets a good review from someone I know that uses insulin.
The GL Diet Recipe Book and Health Plan: Everything You Need to Know About the Glycaemic Loading Approach to Weight Loss and Good Health. [Illustrated] [Paperback]
Maggie Pannell
(no quick view on this one though)

Another thought is to go to the library. You may find a selection of books there

However you change your diet, you will have to take care in monitoring your levels and adjusting your insulin.

Sarah69 said:

Thank you Phoenix and everyone else that has posted on this thread. I have just reserved a copy of The GL diet made easy at my local library. I'm hoping there will be something in there and I can change my eating habits. I do know that the only meal I can't change is breakfast, there is no way I can face anything other than cereal in the morning!

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I'm feeling ill, my throat feels it like has razor blades stuck in it and I am kicking myself for eating the 2 Jubbly ice lollys to try and soothe it.
I come on here, read what you have written and you have just made my day. We know it's not easy, I struggle seriously with my own food "issues" but I want to feel ok in years to come and try and avoid all the bad stuff. You won't be on your own, so little steps at first and we will do all we can to help you. Perhaps change one thing at a time Sarah, that way it isn't so overwhelming.

Will be interested to hear what you think about the book, I haven't bought any books myself!

Good luck and congrats on making what we know is a really difficult decision. :clap: :clap:

Sarah69 said:

have a very sweet tooth and before 2010 I would eat bars and bars of chocolate everyday, it was an addiction and one there is no help for, its no good saying dont eat it because that doesnt work

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Sarah, I'm also addicted to chocolate. Now I buy Aldi's 85% cocoa. The packet costs 99p and there are 5 bars in each packet. Each bar only has 5g carbs. I have one of these every time I crave chocolate. (Usually one a day )

Good luck Sarah, you have been brave to talk about your food issues.
You are a strong person and am sure you will find a way of dealing with your current problems.
All the best x x

Sarah69 said:

iHs said:

Sarah

Im not sure whether to kill myself laughing at your messages or be extremely angry. If you know how to count carb, why are you not adjusting your insulin so that your bg levels balance out much better? Have you not read any of the messages on the forum about frequent bg monitoring and adjusting your insulin using an insulin to carbohydrate ratio? It's not hard to do if you care about your health. You say that you have two kids so I suggest very much that you take diabetes a bit more seriously otherwise you will end up being a complete liability to them. That is 100% guarantee and no I am not scaremongering.

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I have only just seen this post. Yes I use a book to carb count the best I can and yes I adjust my insulin. I've never said that I haven't!! I test my blood 4 times a day. Yes I am overweight and spend most of my day sitting, nothing I can do about that at the moment. I do take my diabetes seriously but only have done since 2010 when I had DKA. Before that I have been in denial of having it. I have a very sweet tooth and before 2010 I would eat bars and bars of chocolate everyday, it was an addiction and one there is no help for, its no good saying dont eat it because that doesnt work. My hbac1's were in double figures. Now it's down to 7.7. I think I have done well in the changes I have made since then. I am hoping a book will help me even further, but if I don't like the foods what am I supposed to do.

Thank you to everyone else who have been more encouraging.

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Hi Sarah

Yes, you have done well to get yr a1c down to 7.7 but most consultants will not want anyone to go over 7.5. So try to get yr bg levels a tiny bit lower so that your next a1c will be a bit lower. My message above was not very nice but I can see the funny side to some of your stuff especially over 'bird seed' :lol:

A really good way to work out ratios is in the bg testing that you do and the carb that you eat. What youve got to do is to try and keep your bg levels running in a straightish line - meaning not going really high and staying elevated for a while before they drop and then going low. If you start to test 6 times a day instead of 4 you will see how to go about using ratios using sensible bg targets which are listed by the NICE guidelines and then adjusting your bolus insulin upwards or downward so that those targets can be achieved. If you keep to eating the same amounts of carb (30g?) for each meal (breakfast, lunch and eve meal) this will enable you to work out ratios a bit easier. Once youve got your ratios sorted, you can then alter the amounts of carb that you want to eat and use your ratios to tell you how much bolus you need to use. Youve then got to work out how much bolus you will need to use as a correction so whatever your bg level is before you eat you then deduct your target from it and then use a correction factor to tell you how much correction bolus you need to add to your insulin to carb bolus. Sounds a bit complicated but once you start entering it all down on paper you will then see how it all starts to happen. Must admit that I found it challenging like playing a game but knew that by working out ratios my bg levels would balance out much better.


About breakfast - this isnt bird seed as such...... If you like Weetabix or supermarket brand you could have one Weetabix in a bowl with 2 tbsp of raw porridge (large flake is best) poured over it and then pour a small amount of cold water over it to soften and then add 1 heaped tsp of plain Greek type yogurt and mix it all up. Tastes fairly nice and is a lot less carb than cornflakes, cheerios etc. The carb value of loads of food is listed on the packets so real need to keep looking in books.

All the best............

ladybird64 said:

............and I am kicking myself for eating the 2 Jubbly ice lollys to try and soothe it.

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Oh god I love those little jubby bu**ers. I thought it was just me! (and anyone under 7 years old lol)

viv1969 said:

ladybird64 said:

............and I am kicking myself for eating the 2 Jubbly ice lollys to try and soothe it.

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Oh god I love those little jubby bu**ers. I thought it was just me! (and anyone under 7 years old lol)

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One of my daughters is 15 and she still loves those

Sarah, I am delighted to see you are at least going to try to cut carbs, not for me, but for yourself. If it takes a home truth or two to show someone the truth, then I am all for that. It's possibly an idea to remember, there is not one single person who posts here, who will have a go for no reason. The reasons are always very clear - to help. I KNOW the posters on this forum care about each other, every single person. I have some beautiful messages in my inbox, and also some that are more blunt. Each one sent with concern and caring for me. If you avoid seeing anyone on this forum as an enemy, but all as friends, I am certain you will not feel 'got at' but 'cared about'.