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I really am not trying to be difficult but I can't eat foods I don't like. I've looked at low GI now and they are foods I don't like. I'm sure I can't be the only one that is like this. I eat mashed potato a few times a week what could I substitute that for?
 
Baby new potatoes.
They are lower GI and because they are less dense you appear to get a lot more for the same weight.
150g of them is quite a lot and about 25g carb.
Normally I'd eat them plain boiled/steamed.
For variety
You say that you like roasties. You can boil/steam new pots, toss them in a little oil and salt. Put them under a very hot grill or in oven. They don't take long and I don't think the GI rises much . I like to add some finely chopped garlic and rosemary with the salt.
Sometimes (like tonight) I'll roast a mixture of sliced red peppers, courgettes, aubergine, red onion on the tray for a while before I add the potatoes. That's very versatile because on top of the veg mix you can also cook something like a chicken breast or piece of fish (perhaps sprinkled with parmesan, fish doesn't take long) Not a lot of washing up and veg, starch, protein, all together.
 
Sarah,

Sorry to be harsh here but you are going to have to learn to like some of these foods!

My husband is a notoriously fussy eater who loves meat and potatoes and plain food. We only discovered low carbing a couple of months ago and already he has come to like things he wouldn't eat before. He didn't like nutty/seedy bread and liked plain white but now enjoys a slice of Burgen Soya & Linseed.

Mashed potato doesn't have a substitute as such but we sometimes have caulk mash (boil it and mash with cream and or philly cheese). Last night I cubed up some turnip and we ate those instead of 'chips', not the same but nice. We do still have tiny bits of mash but it does spike his blood and we have to be out for a 2 mile walk straight after to keep it down.

Eating lots of cream, cheese, nuts etc keeps us full.

Compromise has to be made I'm afraid or else you won't get your diabetes under control.
 
Sarah69 said:
I really am not trying to be difficult but I can't eat foods I don't like. I've looked at low GI now and they are foods I don't like. I'm sure I can't be the only one that is like this. I eat mashed potato a few times a week what could I substitute that for?
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Firstly let me say I intend no upset! But I am going to be blunt..

If you had liver problems would you drink large amounts of alcohol? you could do and eventually you would get liver failure and require either a transplant or you would die...

Now diabetes is no different... your body does not process carbohydrates correctly.. you can continue to eat the wrong sort in large volumes but eventually this will have a detrimental effect... you will begin to develop complications.. at that point you will need to make some serious changes to your diet or you will get more complications and eventually die before your time.. or you could make minor adjustments to your lifestyle and how you eat now and live a healthy happy life...

Diabetes is a silent killer... the damages accumulates slowly over years... once you notice the problems it is to late to cure them.. you have an opportunity to do something about this now before yours develop.. All you have to do is talk to any of the people on this forum who have problems... eye problems, kidney problems, nerve damage, amputation, blindness, the list goes on and they would jump at the opportunity you have now to change the position they are in..

Numerous people in a number of threads have told you what you need to do.. if you have questions about how to achieve this then please don't hesitate to ask... but the underlying facts will not change.. you need to move to lower GI carbohydrates and ideally reduce the amount of carbohydrate you eat....
 
Sarah,

Today's menu for hubby (and therefore me) so far has been:

Fresh raspberries, pineapple, blackberries with Soya yoghurt and a good pouring of double cream on to make it taste lovely and rich? I then had a Spelt flour sesame cracker thing (4g carb from Holland & Barrett - again hubby wasn't keen but now likes them) spread with butter and a tiny sliver of marmalade, so in effect just like toast but crispier ;)

Lunch has been Gammon, fried egg, fried tomatoes and low sugar/salt baked beans (these are higher carb but a treat and I will make him do some gardening!)

Is there stuff there that you like to eat?
 
I do understand what everyone is telling me but if I don't like the foods you are suggesting what am I supposed to do. I can't eat food I do not like. I'm sure not every single person low carbs. Also I'm on a budget with 2 other people to feed and I know they will not eat that sort of thing either. I can't afford to cook 2 different meals.
 
Hi Sarah,

There are recipes and food choices on this site that I would not be able to eat including red meat, eggs, cheese and cream. They make me physically sick so I do understand where you are coming from.

Why not post a list of foods that you do eat and we may be able to come up with a similar tasting alternative that you could try.
 
Sarah69 said:
My last hbac1 was 7.7. I understand what you are saying about the foods I eat but ive always eaten this way. I can't help the fact I don't like much veg or salad I can't eat what I don't like. I will eat some veg with a roast dinner as long as I have roast potatoes to eat with it and covered in gravy. Salads I only eat when I have a BBQ it's not something I could eat everyday or once a week/month etc. I have seen a dietician and went on a course for a few hours to carb count which I didn't totally understand but use a book to help with that. I haven't always felt hungry like this, I would say its only been in the last few years. I just seem to have weeks of it.
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I can't eat what I don't like, either, but sometimes I find that trying something in a different style makes the difference between completely disliking something and being willing to eat it.

My husband was a salad hater until he tried blue cheese dressing and now he not only loves salad, but is willing to try other dressings, too (he hated salad cream and thought you HAD to have salad cream on salads). Maybe try some other dressings? You can now get quite a big variety or even make your own dressings.
 
Sarah the point is you are an insulin injecting diabetic more like a Type 1 diabetic than the Type 2 you say you are especially as you inject rapid acting insulin if I've read your previous posts correctly. I see early on in your posts you thought you where Type 1 yourself until your dietician changed your diagnosis to Type 2. Doesn't really make much difference its the insulin injecting bit that makes the difference between you and a Type 2 like me.

You shouldn't confuse low carbs like us NON insulin injecting diabetics do with being on a good sensible diet for an insulin injecting diabetic. This is what Pneu and Phoenix are trying to tell you. It's because you don't seem to get that difference that causes all the problems and anger when you post.

Without going on insulin eating the things you say you do would KILL me and most of the rest of the non insulin injecting Type 2's.

That's why people get cross with you when you say the things you eat and why you don't understand why people then get angry back.

At the moment I dont want to go on insulin so choose to low carb instead. Its a very effective way of keeping alive in the same way the insulin is keeping you alive.

You've convinced yourself that you'll have to low carb but as an insulin injecting diabetic that is not the case you just need to adjust your diet so its healthier. It doesn't need to be a low carb diet.

Please look seriously at Pneu and Phoenix's advice. You know they are two of the experts on the forum and really do want to help you.
 
Hello Sarah

If it makes you feel a bit better, I dont low GI for every meal. I eat all sorts of GI food on my dinner plate :lol: I do though have a liking and always have, for vegetables. Mainly because they are virtually free of carb and so I can fill my dinner plate up with them along with one or two roast potatoes, oven chips, tinned boiled potatoes or instant mash. The potatoes Ive cut down on a bit but still enjoy them. I enjoy meat, chicken and fish as well so still eat fairly well. I'm not a rice or pasta person.

An idea for you to consider is instead of just eating 3 meals per day and feeling hungry, bolus for the carb in the meals but cut back a bit on what you eat and what youve cut down on at lunch for example, because your bg will be a bit lower, you can eat a bit of carb mid afternoon and not have to bolus for it. I sometimes eat a snack mid morning with my neighbour (cuppa tea and a biscuit) and sometimes a snack in the afternoon and my bg levels are fairly ok and no I dont feel hungry.

As to your hba1c - well 7.7 is still a tad high so do try to lower it a bit more within the next few months but do it gently unless your consultant has told you otherwise. Not sure how old you are but you dont want to be developing background retinopathy if you can help it.
 
borofergie said:
It's not all about salad and veg. For me it's mainly about meat, eggs, cheese and cream.

For 39 years I couldn't understand the appeal of salad, and I didn't paticularly like cheese, until in America this January someone asked me if I wanted to shared a blue cheese salad. Changed my perception of salad forever. Now I eat it almost every lunchtime, with half a Tescos roast chicken, and I'm hardly ever hungry.
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My husband, too! He never ate salad until we were dating and he visited me in the US...and it was blue cheese dressing that did it!
 
catherinecherub said:
Hi Sarah,

There are recipes and food choices on this site that I would not be able to eat including red meat, eggs, cheese and cream. They make me physically sick so I do understand where you are coming from.

Why not post a list of foods that you do eat and we may be able to come up with a similar tasting alternative that you could try.
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Thanks, for breakfast I'll have either, cornflakes, rice crispies, weetabix, Cheerios, porridge and sultana bran. Lunch is either 11/2 sandwiches, something on toast or just some biscuits. For tea tonight will be steak pie, chips and baked beans. I like beef, lamb and pork but can't afford to buy. I like chicken, sausages, chops, fish fingers, pasta, potatoes I only like roasted sautéed mashed or chipped. Carrots, peas, mushrooms,
 
Sarah,

What are your sugars today?

I'm sure you are aware that pretty much everything on your list above is high carb with the exception of mushrooms, peas and carrots in that order.

Are you seriously saying beef, lamb and pork are more expensive than the other items? I know that I can buy beef, lamb and pork on special offers and it works out the same price as buying processed food.

Did you see the food intake I did the other day? Was there nothing on there that you liked?
 
Waking sugar was 13, not sure what they were before bed I was too tired to do them. Before lunch was 10.1. I had porridge for breakfas. My morning sugars all last week were between 10-12 (i dont understand why) and rest of the day under 7.

I have looked at the things you listed and no I don't like any of those things. I looked at a shoulder of lamb on Friday while shopping and it was £11! I can't afford to pay that. I don't really like fruit, I have bought clementines for the past few weeks but I'm now going off them.

Perhaps when I am able to do some exercise that may make a difference to me.
 
Sarah69 said:
Waking sugar was 13, not sure what they were before bed I was too tired to do them. Before lunch was 10.1. I had porridge for breakfas. My morning sugars all last week were between 10-12 (i dont understand why) and rest of the day under 7.

I have looked at the things you listed and no I don't like any of those things. I looked at a shoulder of lamb on Friday while shopping and it was £11! I can't afford to pay that. I don't really like fruit, I have bought clementines for the past few weeks but I'm now going off them.

Perhaps when I am able to do some exercise that may make a difference to me.
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Sarah, I am going to say this with care from me to you, not in anger or to cause you pain. The diet you are eating is going to kill you - fact! If you really can't give up carbs, then for your own health you MUST reduce them, or you won't have feet to walk around the supermarket with, nor eyesight to see the prices. Yes, that is harsh, but it's true. You must cut out, or at least drastically cut down on bread, potato's, rice, pasta and flour. These are killers to diabetics in high amounts. I bought a book called the Collins little gem carb counter. It was only about £3-£4 and it gives you the carb count for all foods. Please consider getting a copy.

People on this forum advise from a very good perspective - knowledge. No-one sets out to upset or hurt anyone's feelings. I have had my ass kicked and I needed it. Please listen to the advice given, or you will come back here in the future telling us you wished you had. The simple fact is, to live a happy, healthy life with diabetes, carbs have to be reduced, there is no other way.

You say there are foods you don't like, that's fine, eat the low carb foods you can. Meat can be chicken, gammon, things that are not expensive. Look for offers, buy cheaper cuts and cook slowly. Things like brisket is delicious if cooked slowly for a longer time, and is a food the whole family can eat. There are answers and solutions, available to you, you just have to look for them.

I wish you well.
 
Sarah,

It is pretty obvious why your sugars are so high and to be honest readings under 7 aren't that great, that is more what they should be rising to rather than the minimum.

I agree with all the Defren is saying and although it sounds harsh, it is the truth. You cannot continue long term doing what you are doing.

You are eating an extremely poor diet for a diabetic and what you are going to have to do is cut down on at least some of the stuff you are eating. Cut out the biscuits, cut out the pastry. If you are having beans have the low sugar/low salt. Take it one step at a time if you cannot do it one go.

I seem to recall you have family and say that they don't want to eat/can't eat the low carb food. I don't know your children's ages but are they all aware of quite how dangerous your diet could be? Maybe they would be willing to eat it with you.

We'll hold your hand and help and advise you, but you have got to be willing to help yourself first.

Please take some of this on board and talk us, we will help xx
 
Yes I have a book and carb count. I know my children (14+20) would not eat the food you are suggesting and in fact I can't either. It's not I'm unwilling to change its there's nothing I can change to that id like eating! This is the food I've always eaten. I think at my next review I will take a list of a weeks food and see what they say.
 
Sometimes we have to do things that we don't like to do, we aren't kids and we have to take some responsibility for ourselves.

You say that you carb count but in your other post you went on a carb-counting course and didn't understand it, thing is if you are counting the carbs you must see how many you are eating?

At present we as a family are on benefits so money is tight. I buy the basics mince, chicken thighs, brisket for a roast, Iceland do pork/beef joints for a fiver, meatballs. I don't want to derail your thread Sarah but there is only so many times people can say the same thing. You say you can't/don't want to make changes (even though we all have to make changes to things that we don't necessarily like) so the ball is in your court.

You have mentioned that you are awaiting surgery for a hip replacement and are overweight, I would have thought that would be a good incentive to look at your diet again but it seems not.

I hope your review goes well.
 
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