Arrested for drunk in charge when actually Hyperglycaemic

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Mirf,

I don't have any comment to make on your partner's behaviour that evening, because I wasn't there - I guess the courts will decide. However, I'm very sorry this type of event will have such a devastating effect on his career, because I have no doubt he will lose his license over this. The law is very clear that you commit a serious offence if you are in charge of a car while under the influence of drink or drugs. By placing the key in the ignition, he was clearly in charge of the car, and by his own admission he had been drinking. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding his diabetes, his judgement was impaired. I really cannot see a way for him to be found anything other than guilty.

Incidentally, I do think the police were wrong in their treatment of him and he should pursue that.

Take care

Smidge

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Defren said:

CarbsRok said:

Mirf said:

I should also add that his license is clean,, he has no criminal record, has been security checked by just about everyone you care to mention and this is only the 4th time I have know him to drink in 9 years. Drink driving is something he would never even think of, not only because he finds it morally offensive, but also because it would have a devastating effect on the work he does.

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Any bets as to whether this poster is in actual fact the OP? :lol:

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No matter if it is or it isn't, it's not surprising the OP has vanished. His first post on the forum, where he asks

Has anybody experienced a similar event?

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landed him with a tirade. Yes, we only have one side of the story, and as such have to adopt caution, but certainly not if the topic had been adhered to, and his question answered. I am not in the slightest surprised he b******d off, I would have too had my first post received such a "welcome".

No, I have never had an incident like the one you describe. I would go along the lines Hana suggests and contact Diabetes UK as they do have an advocacy service that may be able to advise you. I am truly sorry you have received the welcome you have. I for one feel ashamed to be apart of any forum that can treat a newby this way. It would have been better if the post had been ignored!!

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Its absolutley disgraceful and shocking. People should be ashamed of themselves, I wont say anymore than that. With much sadness RRB

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Robinredbreast said:

Very interesting first post, so glad you took the time to address this distressing situation to other members. Yes I have tested, in the past without my BG machine. I had readings of Hi recently because of a brokem vile, the two symptoms I had were thirst and feeling very tired and a bit out of sorts, but thats me and everyone reacts differently to their medical symptoms, we are all different.

Its a shame that a lot of negativity has been shown on here, but thats people and forums I'm afraid Please tell your partner not to be put off by some of posts, its best just to ignore them and to move on. It appears, at times, some people have far too much time on their hands!!! I hope your weekend has been a good one and I look forward to hearing from cailesmark again.

With best wishes RRB

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He has been on top of his diabetes for the last few years (after a lot of nagging from me) and his hba1c is now spot on. He is still lazy on occasion when it comes to testing, but I genuinely cannot remember the last time he had a hypo and I have never experienced him having a hyper. Unfortunately, those around him had no idea what to look for and the automatic assumption from the police was that he was reacting the way he was due to high alcohol levels, even though that proved not to be the case.

Even after the reading of 28 , although never offered food they continued to add sugar to every drink, despite the fact he does not take sugar. I think they may have been confusing hyper and hypo. The doctor was in and out within 5 minutes, as confirmed to me by the desk sergeant..

He had two badly infected feet at the time that were not being addressed, had just finished a course of anti-biotics, was over tired, stressed and just about everything else that is a negative for his diabetes. I accept he was a ******* for putting the keys in the car, but the simple fact of the matter is that he could no more have driven that car than I could have passed myself of as Kate Moss! (I am far prettier obviously 8) lol)

He is now traveling back to London to get this issue addressed tomorrow, so not the best weekend ever. We are in South Wales so a bit of a hike. I am a mod on a couple of forums, so I appreciate how 'welcoming;' some people can be. Sadly, until this post my partner was a forum virgin. I fear he is scarred for life :wink:

Oh and robinredbreast? I am his other half. I am definitely not him, as I have boobs and can eat as much sugar as i desire!

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Mirf said:

Robinredbreast said:

Very interesting first post, so glad you took the time to address this distressing situation to other members. Yes I have tested, in the past without my BG machine. I had readings of Hi recently because of a brokem vile, the two symptoms I had were thirst and feeling very tired and a bit out of sorts, but thats me and everyone reacts differently to their medical symptoms, we are all different.

Its a shame that a lot of negativity has been shown on here, but thats people and forums I'm afraid Please tell your partner not to be put off by some of posts, its best just to ignore them and to move on. It appears, at times, some people have far too much time on their hands!!! I hope your weekend has been a good one and I look forward to hearing from cailesmark again.

With best wishes RRB

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He has been on top of his diabetes for the last few years (after a lot of nagging from me) and his hba1c is now spot on. He is still lazy on occasion when it comes to testing, but I genuinely cannot remember the last time he had a hypo and I have never experienced him having a hyper. Unfortunately, those around him had no idea what to look for and the automatic assumption from the police was that he was reacting the way he was due to high alcohol levels, even though that proved not to be the case.

Even after the reading of 28 , although never offered food they continued to add sugar to every drink, despite the fact he does not take sugar. I think they may have been confusing hyper and hypo. The doctor was in and out within 5 minutes, as confirmed to me by the desk sergeant..

He had two badly infected feet at the time that were not being addressed, had just finished a course of anti-biotics, was over tired, stressed and just about everything else that is a negative for his diabetes. I accept he was a ******* for putting the keys in the car, but the simple fact of the matter is that he could no more have driven that car than I could have passed myself of as Kate Moss! (I am far prettier obviously 8) lol)

He is now traveling back to London to get this issue addressed tomorrow, so not the best weekend ever. We are in South Wales so a bit of a hike. I am a mod on a couple of forums, so I appreciate how 'welcoming;' some people can be. Sadly, until this post my partner was a forum virgin. I fear he is scarred for life :wink:

Oh and robinredbreast? I am his other half. I am definitely not him, as I have boobs and can eat as much sugar as i desire!

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Er, I haven't written that I thought you were OP, please go back and have a look at my previous posts, it was not me who implied that you might be and as for the sugar comment :?: RRB

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Just to add as many people had posted whilst I was typing. Thank you to those of you who actually seem to realise there is another person posting and decided to behave with manners, as opposed to grabbing the pitchforks and burning torches.

As mentioned, he is currently driving to London, but after the venom from some posts I doubt he will be inclined to post again. Some welcome for a newbie old git to the world of internet forums! He posted on here as he was truly distressed at what had happened and was hoping for a little support from people who might have an understanding of the sheer bloody terror he went through.More fool him it would appear.. Although I see it a lot myslef, it still saddens me that some people have nothing better to do than be so downright blooming nasty.

Just imagine, you are at your most vulnerable (hypo/hyper, you choose), begging for medical help and you end up being hog tied, stamped on and left like that for over an hour with no medical help for several hours after that.

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Robinredbreast said:

Er, I haven't written that I thought you were OP, please go back and have a look at my previous posts, it was not me who implied that you might be and as for the sugar comment :?: RRB

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My apologies, I quoted the wrong name in what was a multi post, I should have quoted CarbsRok's comment

CarbsRok said:

If the breath test was positive then the licence aint clean now. :yawn:

Any bets as to whether this poster is in actual fact the OP? :lol:

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As for the sugar comment it was an attempt at humour with regard to the comment about me being the op..I apologise once again.

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To those of you who are stating that he cannot have been that unwell, have you ever had a reading of 28? If so I would really like to hear how you managed it so well...

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Yes, actually (when I was diagnosed with bad DKA). I did manage to walk up to A&E without passing out

It just seems a bit unlikely that getting one injection wrong would result in hyperglycemia that bad [doubt+]. What's more, you hear quite a lot about type 2 diabetics with 20+ BG without any acute symptoms [doubt+]

He forgot his test kit and being a type 1 of some considerable years (not type 2 as Balirob incorrectly stated, amongst other things) he injected without testing. A bad habit I know, but certainly not a crime and I will bet money that more than 1 of you does the same from time to time

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Bad habit? According to whom? There's little reason to test before meals; the greater the greater the variability, the greater the need to test (that's simple stastics) - here, that's estimating carbs in meals (how much of that is pasta and how much is sauce? do they add tons of sugar to their sauce? is that diet coke?). I never test before meals, and I haven't been told to test before meals by my DNS either. Maybe it's a DAFNE thing?

But still, that wouldn't explain more than 5 mmol/l safety margin - not nearly enough to make him that ill [doubt+]

You see, there are quite a few points that just don't quite add up, so I can see why some people are more aggressive. Since you're not trying to sell anything though the sensible thing would, IMHO, be to assume that it's true for the sake of a discussion.

but the simple fact of the matter is that he could no more have driven that car than I could have passed myself of as Kate Moss! (I am far prettier obviously lol)

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That's not the point - the question is if he could have crashed the car. Thus the strict law.

I am a mod on a couple of forums

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Which apparently lack "edit" button functionality.

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Congrats, you walked to A&E.... :clap:

How is comparing a type 2 diabetic to a type 1 relevant? :? I'm vegetarian, does that count? :***:

I don't know how to put this into words you can understand. He was ill, he was fighting an infection, he was drinking which he rarely does, he was vomiting, he very quickly brought up the meal he had eaten, he did not have access to his levermir, only having access to his novo rapid and then only allowed a lesser dose than normal.

That's not the point - the question is if he could have crashed the car. Thus the strict law.

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Not possible if you are not driving!

Which apparently lack "edit" button functionality.

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Personal attacks, how old are you exactly and what is the point you are attempting to make? I am afraid I missed it amongst the insults and snide remarks (doubt+)

As for the bad habit comment he was advised by the doctor last time he attended the diabetic clinic to check his bloods more often and before meals. Want me to give you their number so you can call and check? :|

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Mirf..I'm not sure what your partner actually wanted from the forum users of the site. I have put my tuppence worth above but I think we are gliding over the most important part and that is he may not have intended to drive but his keys were in the ignition.

I'm not a lawyer but have had a look around on the internet (yes, I know it isn't the most reliable) but time and time again it says that if the police suspect that someone is attempting to drive then they are within their rights to deal with it appropriately.

Bottom line is he had his keys in the ignition and it looked like he intended to drive.

Again, I have made my thoughts clear in my previous post but would just remind you that posting on a public forum will bring a mixture of opinions as everyone is entitled to their viewpoint.

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First post was referring to the treatment by the police whilst in custody.....not the alleged charge, as commented on several times.... He was denied access to medication, the symptoms that he was hyper were ignored, he behaved in an irrational manner (going hyper), was vomiting, was needing to urinate frequently, was getting agitated and, as a result, was hog tied whilst his head was stood upon and his ear was injured to the point his GP wanted him to seek treatment from A&E. He was left cuffed and with his legs tied, face down on the floor for over an hour...all this whilst waiting in excess of 5 hours to see a medical professional (a joke in itself). Now I know none of you have EVER experienced a hypo/hyper so you cannot be expected to imagine how bloody terrifying that situation would be....begging for help and being completely ignored. Apparently a reading of 28 is completely normal and nothing to be worried about!!!! :evil:

My partner was foolish to post on this forum, but he was attempting to get a little support and possibly speak to someone who may have experienced something similar. More fool him.

He and I went into further detail about the events leading up top the arrest in an attempt to give a full story, only to be accused of lying, exaggerating and being some type of lush who makes a habit out of attempting to drive whilst intoxicated!

Instead, you have all (with the exception of 1 very kind person)turned it into a witch hunt against someone you know ****** all about. Congrats. You are all pure, virginal diabetics, who have never in your life forgotten either your test kits or enough insulin to last you for 24 hours, just in case. You have never experienced a hyper/hypoglycemic attack and always have a perfect hba1c. You are beyond reproach. The large pile of stones are to your left. As you are completely without sin, help yourself! I applaud you all :clap:

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The first two pages of this thread discussed the treatment in custody, after which it somewhat derailed when people started to question parts of the story. My opinion on the issue can be found on those pages.

But as I said, you cannot expect to make ... inflammatory and controversial posts like that and not expect people to question the details that don't quite fit: You need extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims. Pushing (making new posts rather than editing) won't help.

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Mirf said:

Instead, you have all (with the exception of 1 very kind person)turned it into a witch hunt against someone you know ****** all about. Congrats. You are all pure, virginal diabetics, who have never in your life forgotten either your test kits or enough insulin to last you for 24 hours, just in case. You have never experienced a hyper/hypoglycemic attack and always have a perfect hba1c. You are beyond reproach. The large pile of stones are to your left. As you are completely without sin, help yourself! I applaud you all :clap:

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This is getting really silly. No-one has turned anything into a witch hunt at all and you're quite right - none of us know ****** all about each other in reality. You appear to be, understandably, very very angry at the treatment your other half received from the Police and you seem to be projecting that anger onto people in this forum who are only responding to your other half's invitation to comment in order to be helpful.

I don't think anyone, including myself are pure, virginal diabetics who are beyond reproach - but I do think your anger here is misdirected. We have all responded to a posting in line with our own thoughts on the matter. Sadly, some of our posts weren't perhaps what your other half expected to hear and I really do feel both he and you are projecting the wrongs that have been done on the wrong people.

There is an organisation called Victim Support, who I am sure would be willing to help point you in the right direction if you think a crime has been committed.

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I did not say he was Type 2 - trouble is you only read what you want to see. Also, I only posted because he made the statement -"IS THERE ANY WONDER THAT DIABETICS DIES IN CUSTODY !!!!!" and, as you say, I would have ignored the OP but for that. I will not forgive or feel sorry for anyone making such disgraceful remarks - and he had had two weeks within which to calm down. If the circumstances surrounding this case are now so different - whose fault is that? At the time the OP made his point he had JUST JOINED to use us on OUR forum at that time.

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Some people on this forum need to a) lighten up and b) learn some manners!
It is not OUR forum, it is EVERYONE'S forum!

No wonder Mirf is angry. She has every right to be angry, both at the treatment of her partner by the police and also at their treatment from some members of the forum. I think I'd be angry if I was new to a forum and was spoken to like they have been.


The OP posed a legitimate question and it has turned into a silly argument. So much hostility! And I've seen it LOTS in other places on the forum and I really don't like it. We're all here for support and learning and I see no need for things to deteriorate into such petty quarreling when mostly people are just seeking help. It really makes you not want to be here... but then where else do you go to talk to other diabetics in the UK?!?


Maybe some aspects of the event are questionable to you... maybe because you've never experienced things like that... but we are all different and react to things differently, so maybe when your blood sugar is reaching 30 you won't have felt anything more than a bit tired and a bit thirsty, but others may feel absolutely awful and be unable to function properly. Perhaps try being a little more open-minded and a little less judgemental.


I am sorry Mirf that you and your partner have had such a bad experience on here.

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picklebean said:

Some people on this forum need to a) lighten up and b) learn some manners!
It is not OUR forum, it is EVERYONE'S forum!

No wonder Mirf is angry. She has every right to be angry, both at the treatment of her partner by the police and also at their treatment from some members of the forum. I think I'd be angry if I was new to a forum and was spoken to like they have been.


The OP posed a legitimate question and it has turned into a silly argument. So much hostility! And I've seen it LOTS in other places on the forum and I really don't like it. We're all here for support and learning and I see no need for things to deteriorate into such petty quarreling when mostly people are just seeking help. It really makes you not want to be here... but then where else do you go to talk to other diabetics in the UK?!?


Maybe some aspects of the event are questionable to you... maybe because you've never experienced things like that... but we are all different and react to things differently, so maybe when your blood sugar is reaching 30 you won't have felt anything more than a bit tired and a bit thirsty, but others may feel absolutely awful and be unable to function properly. Perhaps try being a little more open-minded and a little less judgemental.


I am sorry Mirf that you and your partner have had such a bad experience on here.

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I agree so much, I just cannot believe some of the people who post on here are for real!!

I know that on the odd occasion that my blood sugar has been really high I feel sick, thirsty and really really unwell. I think a lot of posters seem to have forgotten that hyperglycaemia of 28mmols is a medical emergency!

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cally said:

picklebean said:

Some people on this forum need to a) lighten up and b) learn some manners!
It is not OUR forum, it is EVERYONE'S forum!

No wonder Mirf is angry. She has every right to be angry, both at the treatment of her partner by the police and also at their treatment from some members of the forum. I think I'd be angry if I was new to a forum and was spoken to like they have been.


The OP posed a legitimate question and it has turned into a silly argument. So much hostility! And I've seen it LOTS in other places on the forum and I really don't like it. We're all here for support and learning and I see no need for things to deteriorate into such petty quarreling when mostly people are just seeking help. It really makes you not want to be here... but then where else do you go to talk to other diabetics in the UK?!?


Maybe some aspects of the event are questionable to you... maybe because you've never experienced things like that... but we are all different and react to things differently, so maybe when your blood sugar is reaching 30 you won't have felt anything more than a bit tired and a bit thirsty, but others may feel absolutely awful and be unable to function properly. Perhaps try being a little more open-minded and a little less judgemental.


I am sorry Mirf that you and your partner have had such a bad experience on here.

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I agree so much, I just cannot believe some of the people who post on here are for real!!

I know that on the odd occasion that my blood sugar has been really high I feel sick, thirsty and really really unwell. I think a lot of posters seem to have forgotten that hyperglycaemia of 28mmols is a medical emergency!

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I agree with you both.

Diabetics shouldn't drink

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He posted this on OUR forum

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Since when did diabetes preclude anyone having alcohol? The moment the OP registered on this forum it became his forum as well as anyone else' who wishes to join.

This IS a witch hunt - pure and simple. The OP stated he had NO INTENTION of driving. Yes, he was foolish putting the keys in the ignition to charge his mobile phone, and some of his actions while in custody are questionable. HOWEVER - that does not give people the right to attack him in the way they have. The courts will deal with him appropriately and he is likely to lose his licence, but the fundamental question here is his treatment as a diabetic while in custody!!

I can only imagine what the view is like from the moral high ground, as a fallible human being, I doubt I shall ever know!!

I am truly disgusted by this thread, and shall not post on it again!

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Mirf said:

Robinredbreast said:

Er, I haven't written that I thought you were OP, please go back and have a look at my previous posts, it was not me who implied that you might be and as for the sugar comment :?: RRB

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My apologies, I quoted the wrong name in what was a multi post, I should have quoted CarbsRok's comment

CarbsRok said:

If the breath test was positive then the licence aint clean now. :yawn:

Any bets as to whether this poster is in actual fact the OP? :lol:

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Thank you This post has been edited. With best wishes RRB

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Robinredbreast said:

Mirf said:

Robinredbreast said:

Er, I haven't written that I thought you were OP, please go back and have a look at my previous posts, it was not me who implied that you might be and as for the sugar comment :?: RRB

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My apologies, I quoted the wrong name in what was a multi post, I should have quoted CarbsRok's comment

CarbsRok said:

If the breath test was positive then the licence aint clean now. :yawn:

Any bets as to whether this poster is in actual fact the OP? :lol:

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Thank you I hope today goes well and what ever outcome that developes from this, I hope you both can come back and try to put the nasty, flippant and indifferent posts on this thread behind you. How would other people feel and their loved ones if the first post they made was teated in this abominable way? Wouldn't it be upsetting and make you angry :x You only have to look at the two sentences above. btw the above sentences where only picked out as an example, a pretty bad example.

With best wishes RRB


Mistakes are made in life all the time and we should learn from them.

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To be honest, I think people are seeing 'nastiness' in the replies to this OPs posting where nothing of the sort was intended. But if I'm one of those nasty people who should keep their thoughts to themselves then please let me know and I'll be happy to leave the forum.

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Hi All...
We have had some nice posts getting things back on track.
Please lets keep things pleasant folks.
Anna.

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I once did a first aid course with a young lad who was T1 and he was arrested while having a hypo as being drunk and disorderly. In the scuffle his bracelet alerting of his condition was torn off and it wasn't until he collapsed at the police station that anyone realised he was ill. This must have been about 25 years ago so obviously nothing much has changed since then. Unfortunately the police have to deal with drunken yobs on a daily basis so just assume everyone is the same. My friends partner was arrested as being drunk in charge of his car when he was asleep in the back with the keys in his pocket so it seems that you only have to look at a car to be arrested for being drunk in charge. Wish you luck in trying to get the PCC to take any interest in the case.