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Arrested for drunk in charge when actually Hyperglycaemic

Re: Arrested for drunk in charge when actually Hyperglycaemi

Technically, they are right, but that doesn't help when you have been dealt with insensitively!
You need the Advocacy section of Diabetes UK. they will certainly have met this situation before and know what to do. get their number from the website diabetes uk.org.
Hana
 
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PS
I'm puzzled at the extent of the symptoms of hyperglycaemia. What was the BG reading?
Hana
 
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The doctor eventually arrived at 0300 Hrs. He could not have been less interested. He tested my blood sugar level after asking some basic questions. IT WAS 28 MMOLs
 
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Keep it civil please and although you are free to express your opinions on the police force try and keep it in line with the forum guidlines on abuse and language thanks
 
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Caelismark - terrible treatment. Even if someone has committed the most horrendous crime there is such a thing as human rights and in my humble opinion yours were violated. As others have said we all make mistakes.
 
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Definitely one for the Advocacy service.
Hana
 
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Nikkig said:
dawnmc said:
Well Nikkig, you have 1st hand knowledge then of the pack mentality of the police. Its just state legitamized violence.
Dawn, it would seem that you have had some bad experience with the police and it is sad that you feel the need to tar us all with the same brush. However, the advise I gave, I felt, was in the best interest of the original post.
I would also end this conversation with you by saying that I was very proud of my public service and when people like you criticise the people who I have worked with and question my integrity, I would ask you to think for a minute and ask yourself, how many times you have been to the scene of an accident and dealt with the horror that you see, scraped a person's bits of brain from a tree, tell parents that their child has died, comforted a woman who has been raped, dealt fairly and within the law with people who have committed some of the most horrible crimes and despicable acts that you can imagine, put yourself in danger to make other people's lives safer? I have done all those things and more and I am proud of my service to the community - are you?
I shall make no more posts to this particular question

Good post, It showed calm, dignigty, fairness and respect.

I have had a couple of dealings with the police regarding a person who 'made friends' with my father. The police, online and on the phone were very helpful. The community police officer, a WPC even made a couple of visits to my fathers house. Also, with gritted teeth and a lot of self control on my part, I managed to get the persons full name, a partial address and a mobile number from him and informed the police( because of something I suspected) The person was known to the Police. I am so glad we have our Police force. The police force are here to enforce law and oder, but primarily to protect the public. But ike many professions, there are a few bad apples,( Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers, Judges etc ) but I have found in general, there are more good things than bad, but its the bad things that make the news and sells the newspapers. Sometimes things get hazy and how we see it or react to that situation, is not necessarily the same as when, maybe, an onlooker has seen it :problem:

With best wishes RRB
 
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Sorry

But if you want anybody let alone a police officer to treat you with any degree of respect and courtesy, then you must be courteous and respectful to them! Which by all accounts it sounds as though you weren't!

Your reactions to everything seems to be based around 'having' too much to drink! And not the claims of reacting to hyperglycaemia concerns!

You were aware that you had no meter, before you started your meal (lunch time business meeting) you are arrested sometime after 9pm, going by you were being booked into the police station at 10pm! You don't mention whether you injected any insulin to cover the meal you had... But you had plenty of time, to either go find a chemist, purchase a cheap meter to use, or even visit a A&E department... Even when you finally arrive at your car, you still don't take any actions to resolve the apparent, medical emergency you are in/heading for! So can't have been that concerned about it!

The police officer that arrested you, would have initially given you the benefit of doubt! It's likely he's clocked you at some point leaving the train station and heading towards your car! There would have been something in your body movement that indicated something was afoot with you! He would held back to see what actions you took when you reached your car to give you the benefit of the doubt... You actions indicated there was a very high probably that your intentions were to drive your car, when clearly for some reason you weren't fit to do so!

It's no wonder when you tried to explain your woes, about your diabetic concerns he didn't take your word, as if there was any real substance to your tale of concern, the first thing you would have done after unlocking you car, would be to retrieve the meter that still sat in your Glove Compartment!

At the police station again, it seems that apart from being effected from the alcohol you've consumed, you showed no other signs in being in immediate medical danger! Your responses were consistent with a unreasonable individual who's consumed alcohol... You aren't showing a degree of confusion or unresponsiveness, no complaints of stomach pains, now shallow breathing etc all indicators consistent with a diabetic requiring emergency medical help!

The police called the Duty Doctor, even requested him to visit! The duty Sargent has no control to the time spam involved concerning when the doctor decides to attend the prisoner!

You were monitored, but again didn't show signs of a deterioration of your diabetic original presentation on health grounds, so nothing to warrant an emergency response from a paramedic, a case of keep monitoring and await the doctor!

You then decide to gain further attention, that you would fake a 'suicide attempt' you set this into motion, get the response, didn't anticipate the fact is, when this happens the officers will go into a set and well trained/drilled protocol of actions, to restrain you to prevent you from harming yourself! Which is also designed to maintain their personal safety! And now moaning about being put on suicide watch after this event!

A doctor visits at 3am, to check you over explains that sorry, no background insulin available, but this doesn't matter as you can be treated with your quick acting insulin, as to no ketone test well, if you'll not displaying any other symptoms of DKA, then it's very likely that standard treatment of providing a correction dose is all what's required!

You are again checked 9am by another doctor, who decides that your BG levels even though remain highish, would be considered to be out of danger etc, the doctor would have taken into consideration your probably alcohol level, using the reading from breathalyser, and it seems that because they didn't carry out a formal interview until 11am, that at this point you would still have some alcohol left in your system.. Which would make an correction dose without food of some concern of pending hypo...

I think that as you were able to walk out the police station at 1.30pm, that at no point from your arrest that you were in any real danger... And that any assumption that any police officer made concerning your welfare could be considered as correct!

Except what's happened, and that you've going to lose your driving licence, and making claims against police officers failing in their duty of care, isn't going to change that fact!

I would also learn a lesson from this, just in case you ever get arrested again, arguing, kicking off, being rude, abusive or aggressive towards a police officer, either at the time of your arrest or while you are being held in custody will do you no good at all! Remaining polite and amicable at all times, will lead you being treated with understanding and respect!
 
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With acknowledgement to jopar's very succinct narrative above with which I also concur 100%.

I would not have normally got involved with this subject as I felt that it did not deserve the respect the OP was looking for. BUT the remark in his final paragraph, viz., " IS THERE ANY WONDER THAT DIABETICS DIE IN CUSTODY !!!!! " is so outrageous that I am still smarting with anger and feel obliged to bring it up again as it must be considered the most important aspect of this saga.

Now, having had 55 years interest regarding the subject of 'deaths in police custody' I want to know where the poster and one other on this forum have veracity of this statement. Where is the Home Office Report on deaths from Diabetes in custody?? I can only speak for England and Wales but I have no recollection of a death from Diabetes but quite a few resulting from heart attacks all of which received unfavourable publicity. It is quite appalling to infer that we Diabetics who, by the way, are no different to any other member being arrested for ANY offence, are at greater risk of dying through the neglect of our 'condition'.

All police forces since just after the war have been trained at their various training establishments to recognise symptoms of Diabetic and Epileptic comas both in the street and police cells. They are also trained St. John's First Aiders who include this education. In fact, since the inception of custody officers/sergeants, the care of prisoners has been emphasised beyond measure. Catherinecherub's link should be read - she placed it here for you all to read - it is just one of hundreds of documents published to assist officers and doctors attending to prisoners. NOBODY WANTS A DEATH IN POLICE CUSTODY !!!!!

Finally, I am intrigued as to how/why the hotel keys were in the car and had to be collected. Also, what a lovely long lunch which he was allowed to sleep off during 15.5 hours at the station - a period of time which would not have been needed by the very worst for wear drunk before 10am court appearance. By the way, the offence is an absolute one no proof of intention required AND obviously a Diabetic Type 2 of long standing would be aware of the effects and condition of a Hperglycaemic attack/condition.
 
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Is this a court case which "Cailesmark" did not request.

We seem to have a procurators fiscals,solicitors and many judges in this Topic gunning for Cailesmark and some nasty comments regarding our Police Service.

Cailesmark has made his point very clear about his manor and how he was treated while being ill. "Simple as that"

Lets hope lessons can be made without throwing more stones in glass houses.

Roy.
 
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He used OUR forum to denigrate our police service without justification - what did he expect?
 
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This was the original question posed by the OP. Has anybody experienced a similar event?

Seems that the answer is no as I have read no experiences of a similar vein in the replies. When you post on here, particularly about a topic that may well prompt replies of a judgemental nature, then you leave yourself open to comments that you may not like.

That's life on a forum.

I don't drive but I'm sure I have seen articles or programmes where it has been mentioned that as soon as your keys go in the ignition, you are showing an intent to drive, even if the car is sitting in your own garage or driveway. If this is the case then the OP did the wrong thing. and I assume would be subject to the same law as everyone else.

As for the rest of it, well..good and bad in everybody. I have personally witnessed police officers kicking the **** out of an 18 year old man and threatening to arrest those of us who were trying to document what was happening on our cameras and mobiles.

I have also been treated with the utmost compassion and kindness by two officers who were called recently when my mum died and no paperwork had been left by medics..the police had to come to the flat to rule out foul play.

It's usually the people who shout the loudest about how rotten the police are who are the first ones to call them out when they have got trouble on their own doorstep.

EDITED-Having said all this, I believe the police have a duty of care when there are medical needs, there have been too many deaths due to mismanagement of those in custody and they should err on the side of caution.

With the greatest respect to you BaliRob, this is not OUR forum..it is the OP's forum too, regardless of whether we agree with him or not. As far as I can see he has not broken forum rules and I'm sure his post would have been edited if he had, so if we don't agree with what he posts we can either say so or choose to ignore the post.
 
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Now, having had 55 years interest regarding the subject of 'deaths in police custody' I want to know where the poster and one other on this forum have veracity of this statement. Where is the Home Office Report on deaths from Diabetes in custody?? I can only speak for England and Wales but I have no recollection of a death from Diabetes but quite a few resulting from heart attacks all of which received unfavourable publicity.

Fair comment or is it, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... river.html

Roy.
 
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I wasn't diabetic at the time, and I faced no court proceedings... Just a greater understanding of the law, and perhaps how a police officer might translate a piece of law in situ..

I had ridden my motorbike to my local pub, decided after getting there I would have a drink, but I decided to push my motorbike home rather than doing what I usually did, and leave it at the pub (my friends parents owned the pub) not sure why, but before leaving the pub I had given my keys to Paul one of the chaps, I was going to be walking with (they both lived near me)...

We'd got about half way home, clocked the police car tucked up in it's usual place by the puch garage, to catch the speeder! As we past one of the officer got out to stop us... The usual start, asking who we were, but for some reason, doubted Paul! then turned his attention to me, asking why I was pushing my motorbike! Told him the truth, I'd had a couple of drinks so decided safer to push than ride, and I hadn't wanted to leave it at the pub... Boy did his eyes light up on the mention of alcohol! So he called his colleague over, only to find neither of them had breathalysers with them... So it was decided to arrest me and haul me down the nick for testing.... Even though I'd had only 3 half's of larger!

As the second officer started to explain what would be happening and why, the first (horrible) office asked for my Key's, pretext that he needed to start my motorbike to check that out my baffles, weren't modified or breached the noise limit! It all changed when I had to ask Paul for my keys to give to the police officer!

The second officer, said he wouldn't be arresting me after all, due to the charge would have been, 'intention of' driving under the influence (assuming that I failed the breathalyser, which I very much doubted I would) but as not only did I not have my keys on me, but the person who had my keys had to go past my home to get his.... So any court case would be thrown out on court, because the police couldn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that I 'intended' to ride my motorbike!

So the first officer turned his attention back to Paul, giving him grief concerning his details, and basically calling him a liar! But finally we were allowed to go on our way! With Paul cursing under his breath out of earshot of the officers... Surprised me as in all the time I had known Paul, I'd never heard him swear in front of me or another female! And I had seen completely legless many time after he'd been playing rugby!

Then Paul explained the police officer had been his neighbour but one, for around 5 years, and knew exactly who he was, as he had been introduced to this officer, by one of his colleagues who also a neighbour and Paul got on well with!

But again, concerning CailesMark...

Just because his blood glucose levels are high, doesn't mean he's actually ill requiring immediate medical treatment! As he has no proof that at the time of his arrest that his blood glucose levels were even high, no BG reading, so he's making an assumption..

But look at what he says, one thing I noted about the only thing he gives any true clarity to, is one sided..

No mention on how much alcohol he consumed, no mention of the period of time he was drinking over, or what time he started drinking, nor whether he injected insulin to over his meal! No mention how far he was over the drink/drive limit!

He claims he felt unwell after getting on the train at Covent Gardens, got off the train at South Kensington and vomited! He's has a witness to this fact! Well Covent Gardens to South K, is about a 4 minute journey! Strange that his friend doesn't have seemed that concerned about his welfare!

His story doesn't really add up that well!
 
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You were monitored, but again didn't show signs of a deterioration of your diabetic original presentation on health grounds, so nothing to warrant an emergency response from a paramedic, a case of keep monitoring and await the doctor!
I'd disagree here - if you don't have a BG meter to rule out emergencies, you'll have to assume that everything is an emergency; in particular, why don't they have any BG meters or staff trained in using them given that hypos and drunkenness have similar symptoms anyway.
 
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Oh how I love the assumption people make after 1 post on a forum :?

Certain members already have the op tagged as an irresponsible, permanent drunk, who spends his days picking fights with the police, before drunkenly driving home every morning...

Just to give you a wee bit of background on the OP. He is an ex marine, who now works in the security sector, working with various sectors of the police force, as well as international airports around the world, the M.O.D. and the armed forces...you get the general idea. He does not have a hatred of the police force, just the ones who treated him so diabolically when he was arrested. His alcohol reading when cautioned was just over the legal limit, certainly not enough to explain his very obvious confusion and behaviour.

He was attending a business meeting in London, which was to be followed by lunch. He forgot his test kit and being a type 1 of some considerable years (not type 2 as Balirob incorrectly stated, amongst other things) he injected without testing. A bad habit I know, but certainly not a crime and I will bet money that more than 1 of you does the same from time to time.. This meeting was expected to last no more than 2 hours. However, it dragged on and eventually alcohol was involved. Again, he should not have drunk, but he did. This meeting was the culmination of a fairly significant security operation that he had been involved with and spirits were high.

He fairly quickly began to feel unwell and he realised he needed to get back to his hotel. His phone was dead by this point, so he decided to travel the majority of the journey by train.....a journey of over 2 hours in case you were wondering. Unfortunately the guy who was trying to get him safely from one side of London to the other realised he had left his wallet at the restaurant and went back to retrieve it, leaving the op at the train station. Such was his confusion at this point that he got on the train alone. He somehow managed to get off at the right stop and returned to the car. His intention was to get his test kit, the phone charger, his hotel keys and top the ticket up before getting a taxi. He acknowledges that he put the key in the ignition, but the car was at no point running. He was so unwell by that point he passed out. He was only roused by the screaming of the police officer.

Whilst I agree that they probably saved his life at that point, the treatment he received thereafter could have had a serious effect upon it. The injuries he received were significant, so severe in fact they required medical treatment.

I wonder if BaliRob would have been quite as derogative and condescending had he been aware that 2 of the people drinking with my partner were in fact ex Met police fire arms officers, who have already written witness/character references for the OP in relation to the events? Puts a different spin on it doesn't it???? :|

Also for those members posting on the length of time he was in custody, it has nothing to do with the amount of alcohol in his system as previously mentioned. The excuse given was that they were understaffed and there was nobody available to read the charge!!


To those of you who are stating that he cannot have been that unwell, have you ever had a reading of 28? If so I would really like to hear how you managed it so well...

So endeth my first post and novel. :shock:
 
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I should also add that his license is clean,, he has no criminal record, has been security checked by just about everyone you care to mention and this is only the 4th time I have know him to drink in 9 years. Drink driving is something he would never even think of, not only because he finds it morally offensive, but also because it would have a devastating effect on the work he does.
 
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Mirf said:
I should also add that his license is clean,, he has no criminal record, has been security checked by just about everyone you care to mention and this is only the 4th time I have know him to drink in 9 years. Drink driving is something he would never even think of, not only because he finds it morally offensive, but also because it would have a devastating effect on the work he does.
If the breath test was positive then the licence aint clean now. :yawn:

Any bets as to whether this poster is in actual fact the OP? :lol:
 
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Very interesting first post, so glad you took the time to address this distressing situation to other members. Yes I have injected, in the past without my BG machine. I had readings of Hi recently because of a broken vile, the two symptoms I had were thirst and feeling very tired and a bit out of sorts, but thats me and everyone reacts differently to their medical symptoms, we are all different.

Its a shame that a lot of negativity has been shown on here, but thats people and forums I'm afraid:( Please tell your partner not to be put off by some of posts, its best just to ignore them and to move on. It appears, at times, some people have far too much time on their hands!!! I hope your weekend has been a good one and I look forward to hearing from cailesmark again.

With best wishes RRB
 
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CarbsRok said:
Mirf said:
I should also add that his license is clean,, he has no criminal record, has been security checked by just about everyone you care to mention and this is only the 4th time I have know him to drink in 9 years. Drink driving is something he would never even think of, not only because he finds it morally offensive, but also because it would have a devastating effect on the work he does.


Any bets as to whether this poster is in actual fact the OP? :lol:

No matter if it is or it isn't, it's not surprising the OP has vanished. His first post on the forum, where he asks
Has anybody experienced a similar event?
landed him with a tirade. Yes, we only have one side of the story, and as such have to adopt caution, but certainly not if the topic had been adhered to, and his question answered. I am not in the slightest surprised he b******d off, I would have too had my first post received such a "welcome".

No, I have never had an incident like the one you describe. I would go along the lines Hana suggests and contact Diabetes UK as they do have an advocacy service that may be able to advise you. I am truly sorry you have received the welcome you have. I for one feel ashamed to be apart of any forum that can treat a newby this way. It would have been better if the post had been ignored!!
 
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