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As I often suspected.....UPDATE!

chocoholic

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....within a few minutes of being seen by a diabetologist today he thinks I am a late onset Type 1 and not Type 2, as I have been treated as for the past five years.He thinks it's LADA and is doing a blood test to confirm. He was unhappy that I was not referred immediately at time of diagnosis for a c-peptide test, as opposed to the guesswork by my DN but says the c-peptide test is too late to prove anything now.(He's asked for GAD + ICA A(can't read last letter) test.
He thinks it is neuropathy in my feet/lower legs but because I could feel the needle test all over,he thinks any tests at this stage will not be helpful. When I told him it coincided with me cutting down on carbs. he agreed that the better control drop might have caused it and therefore it may well go too if i can keep good control. He told me I'd done really well to cope on the insulin I have, as it's not ideal for the type of diabetes I actually have.He intends getting his DN to change me quickly( :lol: ) over to a different insulin system...presumably basal/bolus.
He wholeheartedly does not believe that my mis-diagnosis of asthma and subsequent 10 months on a steroid inhaler caused the diabetes but I liked the man and did not want to start off with an argument. :lol:
He thought it was utterly ridiculous me being expected to cope on one test strip a day but said unfortunately Type 2's all seemed to be lumped together and it was vital being on insulin I should be able to test 6 times a day if I wanted to. (I was REALLY cross with myself for forgetting to ask for test strips to bring home and won't see him again for 6 months but i'll get that sorted.)
I was then introduced to a lovely DN who specializes in diabetes (part of his team),who came across as a very caring individual. Again she was horrified that the Type 1 or Type 2 diagnosis had been guessed at and not done under referral. She said she will get me in to see the dietician ASAP and then her again for the insulin changeover. She wrote on my form to hand in at reception "please make an appoinment ASAP...overbook if necessary". When the receptionist said "27th November" I was shocked and pointed out the DN's written request. I asked her if she'd mind double checking with the D.N. she was happy with that and she came back and said I'd be contacted direct, as they are only at the hosptial once a month and she's on holiday next month. :roll: Well, I suppose everyone is entitled to a holiday, so not much I can do about that.
The D.N. also said I seemed to have coped really well, considering I was on the" wrong insulin".(her words, not mine.) Then came the big one........the subject of lower carbs.that had brought my readings down to near perfect these last few months. "Why on earth would you want to cut down on carbs? You can eat as many carbs.as you want.In fact you can eat anything you want once we get your insulin changed." I told her I am not doing Bernstein levels and that I've only cut down a bit but I did not want to risk blood sugars soaring by going back to high carbs and she didn't seem tounderstand my reasoning. I came out and felt pretty upset.
I really like the diabetologist and the D.N. and I'm convinced I was right to insist on a referral but it's taken me five years to get a proper diagnosis and get my levels to where I want them to be. Now I feel I'm back to square one. A new diagnosis (though blood test still to be confirmed) and a whole new insulin plan to tackle. I will never go back to eating the amount of carb.I used to but I think I will have to tackle this changeover positively, as advised for now and just see how I go.
I hope you don't mind me rabbiting on but my head is spinning and I just needed to tell someone.

I'd like to thank Sally for helping point me in the direction of this particular diabetologist. At least I'm seeing someone now who seems to know what he is talking about. Thanks Sally.
 
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Hi chocoholic,

Well, better late than never, eh? :shock:
A proper diagnosis can only help your control though, and you'll find basal/bolus a scoosh after your induction as a T2! Which insulins did they suggest you might be prescribed?
It defies belief that a D.N. could not recognise the benefits of carb restriction though. Did she think you'd won your improved blood sugars at the bingo? Good grief!
The 'eat all you want, hey, you're on insulin!' attitude is inexcusably ignorant in a health professional. Whatever she recommends you eat, better havr it with a pinch of salt. :wink:
By the way, if you're running short of test strips, you know what to do.

All the best,

fergus
 
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They haven't got as far as suggesting what type of insulin I'll be on yet, Fergus.Think they want me to see the dietician first.
Hubby says if I can't get the strips now, he'll step in DEMAND them. :lol: If you knew my hubby...... he is the gentlest, quietest man I know, so if HE loses his temper, you know things are bad!!!
 
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What a shame you have had to wait so long, but at least you will start getting properly looked after now. It makes you wonder what happens to those who don't read up on diabetes / or question things. I know I used to avoid questioning those who should know best (ie doctors etc) but over the past few months I have learnt to be much more direct and to becoime better informed myself.

Hope you get on your new regime soon and that you start to improve.

Best of luck

Louise

ps interesting about the steriod inhaler!
 
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you could try ringing the dietetic dept yourself - they do get cancellations or there may be somewhere else you could see them. Or ring the DN back and see if she can help - one dietitian sounds a bit strange and no holiday cover .
 
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OMG. What does it take to get through to some people? Just went down to my surgery (still have to get prescriptions authorized there until I change over surgeries as requested). I asked politely to speak to someone about my prescription. Receptionist asked me why and I told her I needed more test strips. Even after I told her the diabetologist was not happy at me expected to use 1 test strip a day, on insulin, she just said sorry your notes are flagged up you can only have 50 a month.
I said as your doctors mis-diagnosed me five years ago and the specialist thinks I actually have late onset Type 1, it's more vital than ever I can test more often. I told her regardless of if it was Type 1 or Type 2, anyone on insulin needs those extra strips.She typed all this onto her computer,so who knows how many I'll get.Just wish I'd remembered to ask diabetologist for strips yesterday.
How dare these people at our local surgeries "assume" they can limit my testing, whilst I try and cope on insulin!!! When the papers arrive confirming my change of surgery, I shall be seen skipping down the road. Please do not send the men in white coats for me. Just ignore me. I'll keep my clothes on.
 
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:lol: :lol: Yes, I do drive,Sarah. Trust me, if I don't get the strips I need, I shall be doing a "sit-in" at the surgery and hubby will probably do his nut.
 
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Oh I dont believe all the hassle that you are having, is that the same surgery that misdiagnosed you in first place?
Dont put up with that kind of shoddy treatment any longer, I feel so sorry for you, and stress is the last thing you need, even more reason to test your bg.

I hope they listen to you now, if not let us know and we will take a coach trip outing to your surgery and stage a protest!

Love

Karen x
 
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It is indeed the same surgery who mis-diagnosed me with asthma, Chocfish. Great, aren't they?
Well, as I said, the wheels are motion as we speak for moving surgery. I am hopeful the new one actually care about me. I'm just glad to be under a specialist at last, at the hospital. Perhaps one day I'll look back on all this and laugh!
 
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Glad that you got to see Dr B all ok :) Thanks for the lovely comment xxxxx

I understand the DSN questioning the reasoning for low carbing as on bolus/basal you can eat as much or as little carb as you want. Its all about having a choice and being happy, as long as you can keep your weight at a level you want to be and at same time acheive good bg control, do whatever you want.

Not sure as to why you are being referred to see a dietician as all they can do is advise you on healthy eating and I'm sure you know all about that now anyway. On twice daily you should be spacing your carb intake out across the day anyway so the change over to bolus/basal shouldnt be too much of a problem as you can carry on doing exactly the same thing.

I'm sure once your gp gets Dr B's report the change in prescribing teststrips will come about. You will also get a copy of his report by letter (his secretary is good) by next week.
 
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Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhbn!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, I needed that scream. I've just had my prescription dropped through my door, which is odd because I normally collect it from the chemist myself and was going to head up there this afternoon BUT what do I find....my request has fallen on totally deaf ears and still they have given me just 50 test strips. What the hell do I have to do to get through to these people? I can't tell you how utterly frustrating I am finding all this.
 
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Hubby was furious when he came come from work and went down to my surgery about the test strip restriction. He said about the dangers of me driving and having a hypo etc. etc. and still they refused to prescribe more saying it was because of a directive from the PCT.He told them he'd be taking this further and he did. He phoned the Assistant Director of Medicines Management at the PCT. She said the directive was aimed at people who stock-piled medicines unused at home and never meant to prevent insulin dependent diabetics having enough test strips. She was actually furious that anyone could deny a diabetic, on insulin, test strips and realised how important regular testing is. She said she was going to speak straight away to her boss and a call will be made to my doctor to "point out the error of their ways".
I have been so stressed over this all afternoon and perhaps now this sorry tale will come to an end.
 
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That sounds like you've got a positive result.Maybe if the PCT's actually communicated better with doctors we wouldn't get this sort of this happening.
 
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This reminds me of exactly the same thing that I had to go through last year with my new GP over test strips. I'm type 1 using MDI and was only given 50 strips per month too - NOT AT ALL ON !!!!

I eventually got it all sorted by phoning PCT who phoned the GP. Abbott also sent me out a box of test strips foc :mrgreen:

Hope your new GP is put completely in the picture by Dr B and will give the correct amount of strips per month.

I think its time the NHS did some serious talking with the manufacturers of blood glucose meters and got a cheap deal for the cost of funding test strips for one meter. I'm sure most of us would be happy with that????
 
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It has been a revelation coming on here - I cannot BELIEVE the inconsistencies there are. I mean 2m people have diabetes, how hard is it to get it right!!!?????

I feel for you honey, what is the outcome?
 
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I'm sitting here with tears of frustration running down my cheeks and shaking like a leaf. I have just taken a long call from the HEAD of Medicine Managemant at the PCT. He said he'd spoken to my doctor's surgery and says the problem is that they have had no directive fom the specialist about prescription of test strips. I told him the fact I was on insulin should be enough. We had a long "discussion" about this 'cause he said the guidelines say I should not have to test more than once ortwice a DAY,as a Type 2.(And he said these guidelines were set up by him and my specialist!! The same one who told me I could test up to 6 times a day if I needed to.). I went into the dangers of not testing i.e. driving, hypos etc and all he kept saying was they were following guidelines. Every now and then I'd say something and he would say "I cannot comment on that". I told him I'm awaiting confirmation about misdiagnosis and actually being Type 1 and that the specialist would be sending a report to me and to docs. soon. and if I am not Type 1 and still turn out to be Type 2, God help me. He says I should just discuss upping of strips with the D.N.but I know what her stance is and told him they won't budge.He said the problem comes from people mis-using strips!!!! :roll: When questioned further he said some people test 4 or 5 times a day and "did nothing with it". I asked him what he meant and he said "they just write it down in a book". I told him working out how our bodies react to foods etc takes time and it is vital to test, whether Type 1 or Type 2 on insulin.I don't think he agreed with me.
Oddly,right at the end of the conversation, he suddenly said there should be no restriction on strips for Type 1's or Type 2's on insulin alone.(I must fall into one of those categories). I felt he was looking through papers as we spoke and I said I didn't know what we were arguing over if he was now saying he agreed with me.He just said this is for you and your D.N. to sort out.
I am going to phone the specialist's secretary to ask him if he can intervene but right now I feel like I just don't matter and in all honesty I feel like giving in.
 
I have managed to speak to the specialist's secretary this morning, who was a lovely, lovely lady and so helpful.She told me letters have gone out this morning to me and my G.P. with blood test results confirming I have L.A.D.A. and that I should now be treated as Type 1.
Hopefully, the test strip fight will now be over but I feel for all those Type 2's who will have the struggle that I've had just to get enough bloomin' test strips.It shouldn't be like this.
 
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chocoholic said:
I'm sitting here with tears of frustration running down my cheeks and shaking like a leaf. I have just taken a long call from the HEAD of Medicine Managemant at the PCT. He said he'd spoken to my doctor's surgery and says the problem is that they have had no directive fom the specialist about prescription of test strips. I told him the fact I was on insulin should be enough. We had a long "discussion" about this 'cause he said the guidelines say I should not have to test more than once ortwice a DAY,as a Type 2.(And he said these guidelines were set up by him and my specialist!! The same one who told me I could test up to 6 times a day if I needed to.). I went into the dangers of not testing i.e. driving, hypos etc and all he kept saying was they were following guidelines. Every now and then I'd say something and he would say "I cannot comment on that". I told him I'm awaiting confirmation about misdiagnosis and actually being Type 1 and that the specialist would be sending a report to me and to docs. soon. and if I am not Type 1 and still turn out to be Type 2, God help me. He says I should just discuss upping of strips with the D.N.but I know what her stance is and told him they won't budge.He said the problem comes from people mis-using strips!!!! :roll: When questioned further he said some people test 4 or 5 times a day and "did nothing with it". I asked him what he meant and he said "they just write it down in a book". I told him working out how our bodies react to foods etc takes time and it is vital to test, whether Type 1 or Type 2 on insulin.I don't think he agreed with me.
Oddly,right at the end of the conversation, he suddenly said there should be no restriction on strips for Type 1's or Type 2's on insulin alone.(I must fall into one of those categories). I felt he was looking through papers as we spoke and I said I didn't know what we were arguing over if he was now saying he agreed with me.He just said this is for you and your D.N. to sort out.
I am going to phone the specialist's secretary to ask him if he can intervene but right now I feel like I just don't matter and in all honesty I feel like giving in.

Hiya

Try not to get upset about all this. The fella at the PCT has not yet got any direction from your consultant simply because you havent had one till now. The predicament that you are in is down to your DSN/GP saying that you are a type 2. Everyone has got in to a 2 and 8 over what type of diabetes someone should have that will entitle them to have sufficient test strips in order to balance up their blood sugar levels.

I'm sure that once Dr B has written his report saying that you are LADA, this will make it much clearer for the gp to issue test strips accordingly.
 
I'd be there in the reception area of the surgery mutting the words "Medical incompetence" and "Solicitor". In fact I'm sure that you could get free legal advice on this and then there's the GMC. I would certainly be writing to them and also a letter to the PCT, showing what their blanket ban on prescribing strips to T2 diabetics does. I know the PCT has been unco-operative, but it needs to be on record. Perhaps with copy to NICE, who claim that they've told the PCTs NOT to do this.
This kind of behaviour needs a formal complaint, but you need to be made of steel, because they tend to close ranks. In the meantime ring the specialist and ask for a prescription.
 
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