Baffled T2

Fatflyer

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I was diagnosed as T2 on Monday with a HbAc1 of 96. Put on Metformin 500mg 1 per day for 1 week then 2 per day for week etc., up a dose of 2 grams eventually. Cutting down sugar intake is understood. BM has been between 13 and 20. Had an egg sandwich in white bread this morning and my BM shot up from 13.3 to 20.1. Why? Is it to do with carbs? I really don't understand. Please forgive me if I am asking stupid questions. Dr did not really give much info, told me to make appointment with practice nurse (booked in for the end of next week). My main concern is that I don't know what I should be eating and not eating.

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urbanracer

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Hi there @Fatflyer , welcome to the forums.

Yes it is about carbs, they all turn to glucose in the blood stream. @daisy1 can give you some pointers.

There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Ask anything you need to ask.
 
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Bluetit1802

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It is confusing at first, but you will get your head round it soon. We have all been where you are.

The idea is to keep your post meal levels as low as possible, and this means reducing all carbohydrates, not just sugary stuff. Sugar is just one of the many carbs.

The main culprits are bread, potatoes, cereals, rice and pasta. Flour is also a danger food, and we need to be careful with fruits. (Berries are best)

The best thing you can do is to keep a food diary including portion sizes, and record your before meal and post meal levels alongside. (test immediately before and 2 hours after first bite). Patterns will emerge, and you can then repeat these meals with either smaller portions of the carbs or eliminating some completely, using your diary and readings as a guide. Your meter will become your best friend, certainly initially until you have sorted out suitable foods.

Do read round the main website and the posts on the forums, and ask questions.

Good luck. :)
 
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daisy1

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@Fatflyer

Hello Fatflyer and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

srobertson06

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Welcome to the forum,
I remember being diagnosed in March 2015 and I remember all to well how long it seemed to take me to fully understand - at first I followed the guidance of my doctor and diabetic nurse and had my medication doubled after 6 months and then another medication added after another 6 months - then I started to read about the low carb high fat option that many people follow on this forum.
I started to gently cut down on my carbs and saw some improvement in my blood glucose levels but not as much as I had hoped then I decided to really cut down to very low carbs and it has taken A) real commitment on my part and B) over a month to really begin to show signs of improvement but it has begun to happen for me now.
I cannot put into words how great it makes me feel to finally begin to feel in control.
All this information of my experience is really to hopefully help you along the road, we are all individual and we each have to find our own path that works for us - so along the way you may stumble but just consider it a learning curve and continue.

Finally I wish you good health and hope you can find your way to better sugar levels soon. There is lots of info on this site and feel free to ask as many questions as you need to because we are all dealing with the same issues and many have got them under control for much longer than I have.
 
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Fatflyer

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Hi there @Fatflyer , welcome to the forums.

Yes it is about carbs, they all turn to glucose in the blood stream. @daisy1 can give you some pointers.

There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Ask anything you need to ask.

Thank you urban racer
 

Fatflyer

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It is confusing at first, but you will get your head round it soon. We have all been where you are.

The idea is to keep your post meal levels as low as possible, and this means reducing all carbohydrates, not just sugary stuff. Sugar is just one of the many carbs.

The main culprits are bread, potatoes, cereals, rice and pasta. Flour is also a danger food, and we need to be careful with fruits. (Berries are best)

The best thing you can do is to keep a food diary including portion sizes, and record your before meal and post meal levels alongside. (test immediately before and 2 hours after first bite). Patterns will emerge, and you can then repeat these meals with either smaller portions of the carbs or eliminating some completely, using your diary and readings as a guide. Your meter will become your best friend, certainly initially until you have sorted out suitable foods.

Do read round the main website and the posts on the forums, and ask questions.

Good luck. :)

Thank you so much Bluetit1802. This information is very helpful and encouraging.
 
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Fatflyer

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Hi daisy1. Thank you for all this information. Starting to get the hang of it, but obviously a long way to go. It is very reassuring to know that helped information is so readily available on this brilliant forum and website. I am sure I will be seeking more help and advice in the coming weeks. Thanks again. Fatflyer.
 

Fatflyer

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Welcome to the forum,
I remember being diagnosed in March 2015 and I remember all to well how long it seemed to take me to fully understand - at first I followed the guidance of my doctor and diabetic nurse and had my medication doubled after 6 months and then another medication added after another 6 months - then I started to read about the low carb high fat option that many people follow on this forum.
I started to gently cut down on my carbs and saw some improvement in my blood glucose levels but not as much as I had hoped then I decided to really cut down to very low carbs and it has taken A) real commitment on my part and B) over a month to really begin to show signs of improvement but it has begun to happen for me now.
I cannot put into words how great it makes me feel to finally begin to feel in control.
All this information of my experience is really to hopefully help you along the road, we are all individual and we each have to find our own path that works for us - so along the way you may stumble but just consider it a learning curve and continue.

Finally I wish you good health and hope you can find your way to better sugar levels soon. There is lots of info on this site and feel free to ask as many questions as you need to because we are all dealing with the same issues and many have got them under control for much longer than I have.

Thank you srobertson06 your helpful advice is greatly appreciated. I am starting to understand the carbs aspect now. Hopefully I will be able to apply your level of commitment and perseverance! Looking forward to getting blood glucose levels under control. I appreciate your comment regarding individuality and finding what works for me. Best wishes.