Balance magazine - Fad or Fiction

IanD · Jun 8, 2016

My Balance arrived today & of course I looked right through to see how the leading diabetes charity responded to the diabetes & weight issue that hit ALL the headlines two weeks ago.
I mean the reports issued by the Public Health Collaboration & the National Obesity Forum.
See www.phcuk.org

"Coverage" is on page 49 in the article "Fad or Fiction" - "Butter is better"

... what about the rumours that sat fat might not be as bad for us as we were once led to believe ...?
Facts ... In fact, cutting down on saturated fats like butter, & replacing them with unsat fats ... can reduce your risk. ... For a healthy heart, choose spreads made from unsaturated oils.

So, the 39 page PHC report, by a team of respected doctors & diabetes specialists, quoting 64 references and supported by many on this forum is no more than "A RUMOUR."

I note also in the magazine what appears to be confirmation of statistics presented in the PHC report:

... However, according to the latest "National Diet & Nutrition Survey" (2014) ... adults have been generally following healthy eating guidelines.

Balance, pages 3 & 45 appears to confirm this -

... 82% of people now eat more healthily....

The problem - the elephant in the room - is that both diabetes & obesity are increasing to epidemic proportions.

The PHC was formed to tackle the obesity/diabetes epidemic. Diabetes UK is making an excellent imitation of the proverbial ostrich.

Brunneria · Jun 8, 2016

IanD said:
My Balance arrived today & of course I looked right through to see how the leading diabetes charity responded to the diabetes & weight issue that hit ALL the headlines two weeks ago.
I mean the reports issued by the Public Health Collaboration & the National Obesity Forum.
See www.phcuk.org

"Coverage" is on page 49 in the article "Fad or Fiction" - "Butter is better"

So, the 39 page PHC report, by a team of respected doctors & diabetes specialists, quoting 64 references and supported by many on this forum is no more than "A RUMOUR."

I note also in the magazine what appears to be confirmation of statistics presented in the PHC report:

Balance, pages 3 & 45 appears to confirm this -

The problem - the elephant in the room - is that both diabetes & obesity are increasing to epidemic proportions.

The PHC was formed to tackle the obesity/diabetes epidemic. Diabetes UK is making an excellent imitation of the proverbial ostrich.

Frustrating, but expected.
Depressing, innit?

Daibell · Jun 8, 2016

Well, what a surprise from DUK. They will never change and influenced so much by the 'establishment'. I have stopped my Direct debit and will be resigning shortly. Why support a charity that supports diabetes 'research' yet in parallel supports and promotes diets that we know make diabetes worse.

ChrisSamsDad · Jun 9, 2016

IanD said:
The problem - the elephant in the room - is that both diabetes & obesity are increasing to epidemic proportions.

As we should all know, the real problem is that it's Organic Food which causes Diabetes:

Diabetes Incidence in the population

Look - they're both happening at the same rate - it's clear that it's organic food causing it. Or maybe it's the other way around? Have you ever thought of that?

Also, when will the fools realise that the real cause of global warming is not enough pirates?

the point I'm trying to make with heavy sarcasm is "Correlation != Causation". There could be many many reasons why obesity and diabetes is going up. It's likely to be a combination of factors. Personally, I think they should bring back rationing.

IanD · Jun 9, 2016

Brilliant observation, ChrisSamsDad

prancer53 · Jul 20, 2016

Years ago when diets changed, and type 1s were overnight supposed to eat a lot of cho in order t/b healthy (only because docs and NICE had decided that most people could not stick to a strict low cho diet so went off the rails, which resulted in high blood sugars, so solution was to find a way to let diabetes peeps eat as much cho as they wished as long as medication used compensated for it--shame because prob with diabetes is metabolisation of cho...........!!!!!), I can remember saying to my husband that I couldn't do that because of the negative effect it would have on my control of diabetes. I remained doing what I have always done. No doctor, DSN or consultant ever even asked what sort of diet I was on and I hadn't even seen a dietician for 50 years (and when I did she did not even know how much cho was in a slice of bread, didn't listen to a word that I said either--complete & utter waste of time & NHS money, frankly..............). Also to do with rising price of protein in the 80 s so government persuaded everyone to eat pasta and rice to fill them up (incl those with diabetes--who could not metabolise high cho contained therein) so they wouldn't feel deprived. Cannot believe that docs took all this on board. I do know that consultants who raised concerns were "retired" from NHS though. Lesson: find out what works best for you & stick to it. Think through the logic of new instructions re management and decide what is best for you as an individual. Seems that old wives tales re bread & potatoes being a dieters enemy held an element of truth after all. Irony is that the situation resulted in many being told "insulin makes you put on weight" (only if you have too much and eat too much--simple, isn't it) & overwight nurses lecturing patients because they have gained a lb in wight over 6 months. Oh and statins: I was put on these only because my doc was paid to put me on them--my cholesteral went up on them--it was normal previously (!!??) (& I felt truely awful--muscular weekeness whilst teaching PE--not a good combination). I came off statins pretty quickly and went on to eat lots of high fat food (free from cho) and cholesterol reduced significantly. The body is clever--taking statins reduces cholesterol initially but body produces more to make up for shortfall statins produce so cholesteral rises over a period of time (you don't live longer--just feels like it)!!! Same with blood pressure meds --was surprised to find out my bp had risen so doc put me on meds to reduce it. Contracted bacterial meningitus so spent time in hospital without meds for bp--upon discharge I was told that bp was too low & that I should see GP. She didn't listen so doubled bp meds: RESULT--I nearly died because bp became too low. To pay GPs to prescribe certain types of meds to people who fall into certain categories is ridiculous--I nearly died because I was compliant!!!!!!!!!!!! Didn't mean to rant like this but one thing led to another--as it does. Type 1 for 54 years with no complications (except those inflicted by rigorous prescribing by gp of medicines NICE decided was in my best interest) !!!!!!

prancer53 · Jul 20, 2016

Oh and remember when docs used to recommend taking up smoking to relax......................??? Work it out..........!!!

CollieBoy · Jul 20, 2016

ChrisSamsDad said:
Also, when will the fools realise that the real cause of global warming is not enough pirates?

Are you sure that it is not that Global Warming is killing off all the pirates?

MandoGal · Jul 20, 2016

prancer53 said:
Years ago when diets changed, and type 1s were overnight supposed to eat a lot of cho in order t/b healthy (only because docs and NICE had decided that most people could not stick to a strict low cho diet so went off the rails, which resulted in high blood sugars, so solution was to find a way to let diabetes peeps eat as much cho as they wished as long as medication used compensated for it--shame because prob with diabetes is metabolisation of cho...........!!!!!), I can remember saying to my husband that I couldn't do that because of the negative effect it would have on my control of diabetes. I remained doing what I have always done. No doctor, DSN or consultant ever even asked what sort of diet I was on and I hadn't even seen a dietician for 50 years (and when I did she did not even know how much cho was in a slice of bread, didn't listen to a word that I said either--complete & utter waste of time & NHS money, frankly..............). Also to do with rising price of protein in the 80 s so government persuaded everyone to eat pasta and rice to fill them up (incl those with diabetes--who could not metabolise high cho contained therein) so they wouldn't feel deprived. Cannot believe that docs took all this on board. I do know that consultants who raised concerns were "retired" from NHS though. Lesson: find out what works best for you & stick to it. Think through the logic of new instructions re management and decide what is best for you as an individual. Seems that old wives tales re bread & potatoes being a dieters enemy held an element of truth after all. Irony is that the situation resulted in many being told "insulin makes you put on weight" (only if you have too much and eat too much--simple, isn't it) & overwight nurses lecturing patients because they have gained a lb in wight over 6 months. Oh and statins: I was put on these only because my doc was paid to put me on them--my cholesteral went up on them--it was normal previously (!!??) (& I felt truely awful--muscular weekeness whilst teaching PE--not a good combination). I came off statins pretty quickly and went on to eat lots of high fat food (free from cho) and cholesterol reduced significantly. The body is clever--taking statins reduces cholesterol initially but body produces more to make up for shortfall statins produce so cholesteral rises over a period of time (you don't live longer--just feels like it)!!! Same with blood pressure meds --was surprised to find out my bp had risen so doc put me on meds to reduce it. Contracted bacterial meningitus so spent time in hospital without meds for bp--upon discharge I was told that bp was too low & that I should see GP. She didn't listen so doubled bp meds: RESULT--I nearly died because bp became too low. To pay GPs to prescribe certain types of meds to people who fall into certain categories is ridiculous--I nearly died because I was compliant!!!!!!!!!!!! Didn't mean to rant like this but one thing led to another--as it does. Type 1 for 54 years with no complications (except those inflicted by rigorous prescribing by gp of medicines NICE decided was in my best interest) !!!!!!

MandoGal · Jul 20, 2016

Pracer53---So well put! Great wrap on the pitfalls of docs treating us all the same. Good on you!

SunnyExpat · Jul 20, 2016

IanD said:
My Balance arrived today & of course I looked right through to see how the leading diabetes charity responded to the diabetes & weight issue that hit ALL the headlines two weeks ago.
I mean the reports issued by the Public Health Collaboration & the National Obesity Forum.
See www.phcuk.org

"Coverage" is on page 49 in the article "Fad or Fiction" - "Butter is better"

So, the 39 page PHC report, by a team of respected doctors & diabetes specialists, quoting 64 references and supported by many on this forum is no more than "A RUMOUR."

I note also in the magazine what appears to be confirmation of statistics presented in the PHC report:

Balance, pages 3 & 45 appears to confirm this -

The problem - the elephant in the room - is that both diabetes & obesity are increasing to epidemic proportions.

The PHC was formed to tackle the obesity/diabetes epidemic. Diabetes UK is making an excellent imitation of the proverbial ostrich.

This made interesting reading.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/healthy-fats-could-prevent-type-2-diabetes.104912/

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