ickihun
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It is!
It is!I dont mean its a quick fix for the people who have it done. I mean its a way of doctors washing their hands and saying they have done all they can.
I would like to see the option of having the cost of bariatric surgery spent on counselling, and education, and support, and safe exercise places etc etc. Mind you, their idea of education might be the eatwell plate.
rapid weight loss can also cause gall bladder problems, its listed as one of the complications of bariatric surgery.No op can guarantee to allow overeating in micro form.
Do you know why gallbladder gets damaged or interfered with? Irrespective of a surgery, in none diabetes even?
None diabetics and people who haven't had surgery get gall bladder problems.
I may be wrong but bad diet causes gall gladder problems, I thought?
I am asking becasue I keep hearing that people will die if they dont have this op.Presumably from complicated medical problems. I don’t think @ickihun needs to justify her decision. It’s hard enough to decide to have surgery at the best of times.
How do you know what position I am in? There is no information on the reasons for making this decision except being morbidly overweight.To have Bariatric Surgery funded on the Nhs you have to jump thru hoops which includes everything you’ve mentioned. Unless you’re in a similar position to those who need this surgery it’s difficult to resonate.
I want to stress, at this point, that i support you making your own decision. I am not trying to pick a fight. I am genuinely trying to discuss this with you, as the only person I know who is going through the process right now. I apologise if I am being terse, I am not good with expressing myself. I hope you too feel this is a discussion, not an argument.I think it depends how urgent you need to lose weight.
Life or death?
That could be a circular argument though. There is nothing on offer except surgery. if ther was councelling, support, etc would so many people have the surgery?When you reach the realms of a BMI of over 35 it makes losing weight without Surgery nigh on impossible mainly due to the other issues one may have. If it was that easy to lose weight by eating less and moving more then there wouldn’t be the demand for Bariatric Surgery than there is now.
I think the NHS of the future won't fund expensive care for diabetics but only offer these successful ops (unsuccessful, for some.)Also, the other thing to consider in this debate is the cost of Surgery vs the cost the patient currently is to the NHS. Back when I had surgery it was about £12k and I was costing the NHS about £900 a month in prescribed medication, appointments with specialists and alike. Therefore it was more cost effective in the long term to have Surgery. In my case Surgery didn’t work. But the time between my surgery and today I’ve saved the NHS £108,000.
I think the NHS of the future won't fund expensive care for diabetics but only offer these successful ops (unsuccessful, for some.)
What sort of counselling did you have? I mean counselling for food addiction, and all the reasons why people are addicted emotionally to food. Like those with eating disorders. I wonder what happens to them after surgery?In my case, I chose to be referred. I had to go through some form of “counselling” and weight loss through conventional methods. That was back in 2006. I had to wait 2 years for Surgery. It also depends on the local CCG and funding too.
were you able to come off all the expensive medication afterwards and did it resolve your health issues, except the diabetes?I think so too. In my case I was on very expensive and complicated medication. Factoring that in with the price of a hospital appointment (numerous different specialists in my case) I was probably close to bankrupting my local CCG back then!
I wonder if you will be saying same thing in 10yrs time?That could be a circular argument though. There is nothing on offer except surgery. if ther was councelling, support, etc would so many people have the surgery?
I know my T2 has been resolved by diet, if the NHS also offered the correct diet support, maybe more people would resolve their T2 without surgery?
I am not saying no-one should be offered the surgery, but that I think some people are scared into having it, by misinformation, and lack of anything else on offer. I am speaking generally.
You have done brilliantly.I think so too. In my case I was on very expensive and complicated medication. Factoring that in with the price of a hospital appointment (numerous different specialists in my case) I was probably close to bankrupting my local CCG back then!
That is amazing!I don’t really want to go into the content of the counselling. But back then they had to make sure (tick boxes) that you knew the implications of Surgery. Also back then funding didn’t include post-Surgery counselling. Things may have changed now.
Yes I came off all (except the diabetic meds) after day 1 of Surgery.
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