Breakfast and fruit

bigsi1984

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Hi, this is my first post. My doctor told me last week I'm Type 2 diabetic and I'm booked in to see the diabetic nurse at the end of May. Nothing prescribed in terms of meds and just told I'll need to lose weight. I'm sure that the nurse will have lots of info for me but for now I'm flying blind.

This site had been great so far and I've read a lot about what foods I should be eating. For the last few weeks I've been eating oats so simple strawberry porridge sachets. This morning I decided to try fruit as previously I've not really eaten any. I had a small amount of red grapes, small satsuma, small banana and a kiddie sized apple. Followed this up with some Earl Grey tea, no milk and about 15g of almonds. Is this good? Too much fruit? I feel like the porridge was a good option but I really want to hit the ground running and slash my carb intake.
 

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Hello and welcome to the 'club'.
Perhaps too much fruit, grapes and bananas are particularly sugary. I stick with berries and full fat Greek yoghurt, if I don't have eggs for breakfast.
You will be lucky if you get good, worthwhile advice from your DN, most people don't. This is the best place for relevant information. I'm sure lots will be forthcoming, especially from @daisy Good luck
 

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Hi and welcome,

The best thing you can do to help yourself is to buy a blood glucose meter. You can then test before you eat and again 2 hours after first bite. The rise in your glucose levels will tell you whether that meal was a good one or otherwise. Testing is the best tool we have (alongside a food diary). Without a meter you are working blind, and guessing.

I can tell you that fruit is not a good idea for type 2 diabetics. It contains a lot of fructose, which is metabolised in the liver rather than the stomach. The liver regards it as toxic (like alcohol), and all this contributes to fat being stored round the liver. Fatty livers are not desirable and in themselves contribute to insulin resistance and diabetes. The better fruits are berries (raspberries and strawberries) but in small quantities, eaten as part of a meal with either cream or full fat unsweetened yogurt. Have you ever seen a tennis player munching a banana in between games? They do this because bananas are instant glucose. As are grapes. As are most tropical fruits.

Sadly, porridge is also not a good idea. It is very high carb, and especially if made with milk.

I suggest you consider bacon and eggs, or eggs cooked any which way, maybe with mushrooms or cheese, or one tomato. Cold meats are also good.

I am tagging @daisy1 as she has an excellent post for newcomers.
 

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There are some who can tolerate oats but generally, as they are a high carb food, most avoid them. Fruit that should be avoided are bananas and grapes, they are higher in fructose and are considered 'sugar bombs'.
Strawberries, blackberries and raspberries alongside double cream or greek yoghurt are acceptable to many with T2. The fat in the yoghurt and cream slow down the absorption rate of the fructose. If you feel that you must have a piece of fruit have it straight after a meal not as a stand alone snack. My advice would be to avoid fruit juices and fruit smoothies like the plague but that is my personal opinion.

Welcome to the forum. Tagging @daisy1 for the info pack offered to all newcomers.
 

bigsi1984

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Thanks guys. Just looking at monitors now. Bacon and eggs sounds like a plan. Although I was planning on omelettes for lunch so maybe need to think of some other options.
 

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Thanks guys. Just looking at monitors now. Bacon and eggs sounds like a plan. Although I was planning on omelettes for lunch so maybe need to think of some other options.

You can eat eggs twice a day! Three times if you like!

The most popular meters for self funding T2's are the Codefree and the Tee2 because the strips are much cheaper than other meters, and you need a lot of strips. You can't buy them in pharmacies.

Try here for the Codefree meter
http://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/blood-glucose-monitor/

and here for the extra strips
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/sd-codefree-test-strips-to-be-used-only-with-the-sd-monitor/

There are discount codes if you buy in bulk. (applied at the check out stage)
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

The Tee2 is here and the meter is free.
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/

Don’t forget to check the box that you have diabetes so you can buy VAT free. (for either meter)
 

bigsi1984

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Thank you. Ordered code free. Need more eggs then if that's the case!
 

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@bigsi1984

Hello Bigsi and welcome to the forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it both interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

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Thank you. Ordered code free. Need more eggs then if that's the case!
Hi Bigsi
Guzzler is right, fruit is a fairly irregular part of my eating pattern. Strawberries (2or 3) at most, raspberries and blackberries the same, any other fruit is a no no. I watched the programme 'Trust me I'm a Doctor' one evening and the Asian American Dr on the team stated that there is nothing in fruit that you can't get from Veg.
Oats of about 30 gms with Greek yog is just enough to give me energy without raised BG's. Full fat milk is great for people on HFLC diet. No pastries, Pizza's, cakes, sweet stuff, bikkies, bread in fact anything that is flour based or has 5% Carbs on the label on the back of the packet. Don't read the fron of the packet, 'There be Lies there'. Eggs, love them. !!
 
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Hi Bigsi from me too! Sounds like you're definitely going to make all the right decisions and win the war! In case it helps, I bought (9 years ago) the Collins Gem Carb Counter - a tiny book that lists all the foods generically with their carbs, fat, protein etc. Dead helpful when starting out - as a pointer. Obviously testing gives you 'your' best foods, as others have said.
But - and here's the thing - on p25 of this book, there starts a list of all the nutrients we need and why and which foods contain them. Easy, then, to go through and check we're still getting what we need from what we've chosen to eat when controlling bloods. Kinda reassuring when so often the official message is eat this or that to be healthy. This is just my opinion that it's worth looking at this book - but you can check it out in your local shop before deciding. Hope it helps.
 
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