Brownie and flavoured latte

[Talya2022]

According to libre this had less of an impact on my blood sugar than stir fry and noodles. How can this be?

 

[Talya2022]

I’m new to understanding diabetes and experimenting with different foods and the impact on my blood glucose for the first time btw!

 

[Antje77]

How many carbs were in either meal plus drink?

Did you have the different meals at the same time of day? Morning or evening can make a big difference.

Some things spike quick and short, other things give a slower but longer rise.

How high did both of those meals make you go? I think most of our T2 members would avoid either meal, and for me as a T1 it would be difficult to dose for as well.

 

[Talya2022]

How many carbs were in either meal plus drink?

Did you have the different meals at the same time of day? Morning or evening can make a big difference.

Some things spike quick and short, other things give a slower but longer rise.

How high did both of those meals make you go? I think most of our T2 members would avoid either meal, and for me as a T1 it would be difficult to dose for as well.

Thanks for your reply. I have so much still to learn about diabetes. 6 for brownie and latte, 7 for noodles but 7.8 for a bag of crisps! All consumed in pm

 

[Antje77]

Thanks for your reply. I have so much still to learn about diabetes. 6 for brownie and latte, 7 for noodles but 7.8 for a bag of crisps! All consumed in pm

Are those your blood glucose numbers after your meals?
How long after eating was this? Or was this the peak according tou your Libre?

If you didn't go higher than that after carb rich foods, it looks like your medication is doing a very good job!

 

[Talya2022]

Yes peak according to libre!
I’m pleased to hear that it’s doing what I’d hoped it to do….

 

[Talya2022]

I’m interested to see my estimated a1c in a few days according to libre

 

[Antje77]

Yes peak according to libre!
I’m pleased to hear that it’s doing what I’d hoped it to do….

I am wondering though, you expressed worries about diabetes and were looking for healthier options, and talking about reversal a couple of weeks ago.
You also seemed interested in coming off Ozempic.

Are you still interested in those things?
Brownies, flavoured lattes, noodles and crisps are all very high carb/sugar foods.
This means you're depending on your medication a lot to deal with your diabetes.

There is no guarantee this will work forever, you might be interested in making some different food choices?

 

[Talya2022]

I definitely agree that I need to make healthier choices for diabetes management but I’m also recovering from 20years of eating disorders most recently bulimia so I’m trying to get a healthy balanced diet for that also. It’s hard you know?

 

[Paul_]

Hi @Talya2022. In your posts, I'm assuming the blood glucose readings you've mentioned are peak level readings? If so, as you have a CGM then you might want to compare the rise from before you ate and the peak, then where your levels are 2 hours after the meal too. It may be that one of the meals actually caused a larger rise in blood glucose between the before meal and peak points than the other.

 

[Antje77]

I definitely agree that I need to make healthier choices for diabetes management but I’m also recovering from 20years of eating disorders most recently bulimia so I’m trying to get a healthy balanced diet for that also. It’s hard you know?

With a history of eating disorders thrown into the mix, things are definitely different, well done for getting to the point of recovery!
Following a way of eating that helps you with staying in recovery from that is very important, and at the moment your medication seems to be dealing with your diabetes quite well.

I don't have any experience with eating disorders, thankfully, but I can tag @AndBreathe for you, she knows much more about it than I do, and she has T2 (in remission) as well.

 

[AndBreathe]

@Talya2022 a202 , hi.

As @Antje77 suggests, I have a history of an eating disorder, so I can understand how at least some of that goes. My own ex[erience was withanorexia, and I'm glad to sat that is some time ago now.

I know when I was diagnosed and knew I needed to modify my lifestyle, I was terrified the focus on eating would be tricky for me. I'd be fibbing if I didn't admit that I had my moments along the way.

Anyway, enough about me.

I have read back through your posts, but would like to clarify a couple of things:

Are you in UK?
You were diagnosed by a private doctor. Has that doctor handed your care for diabetes to your GP?
Who is prescribing your Ozempic for you? Is it your GP or private doctor?
Your first posts were just over a year ago, have you had any invitations to a course about managing your T2? Have your feet and eyes been checked?
Are you still under active treatment for your eating disorders?
Are you in a disordered eating phase at present, or are things a little better on that front?

Right now, I don't want to comment on your dietary choices and results you had from them, as there are a lot of factors that affect how the curve on a Libre graph
would look. For example, eating fats, such as you would have in a latte or stir fry would slow the peak of your blood glucose, meaning the peak could be later than the 2 hour mark. If you are still using the Libre, it would be useful to note the highest peak after eating, note how long after eating it happened, and how long it took for your blood glucose to return to where it started before eating.

I apologise for asking so many questions, but it would help me make meaningful responses to the questions you pose.

 

[Talya2022]

@Talya2022 a202 , hi.

As @Antje77 suggests, I have a history of an eating disorder, so I can understand how at least some of that goes. My own ex[erience was withanorexia, and I'm glad to sat that is some time ago now.

I know when I was diagnosed and knew I needed to modify my lifestyle, I was terrified the focus on eating would be tricky for me. I'd be fibbing if I didn't admit that I had my moments along the way.

Anyway, enough about me.

I have read back through your posts, but would like to clarify a couple of things:

Are you in UK?
You were diagnosed by a private doctor. Has that doctor handed your care for diabetes to your GP?
Who is prescribing your Ozempic for you? Is it your GP or private doctor?
Your first posts were just over a year ago, have you had any invitations to a course about managing your T2? Have your feet and eyes been checked?
Are you still under active treatment for your eating disorders?
Are you in a disordered eating phase at present, or are things a little better on that front?

Right now, I don't want to comment on your dietary choices and results you had from them, as there are a lot of factors that affect how the curve on a Libre graph
would look. For example, eating fats, such as you would have in a latte or stir fry would slow the peak of your blood glucose, meaning the peak could be later than the 2 hour mark. If you are still using the Libre, it would be useful to note the highest peak after eating, note how long after eating it happened, and how long it took for your blood glucose to return to where it started before eating.

I apologise for asking so many questions, but it would help me make meaningful responses to the questions you pose.

Thanks for your replies. I have very much still got active bulimia. I’ve been trying to address this issue but I’ve had it for so long the behaviour is really entrenched. I hope it’s not going to be a lifelong thing but I fear it might. I’ve had anorexia and then bulimia since I was 8 years old i feel like I’m destroying my body.
I’ve had my eyes checked yes but not feet. But I do have pedicures every 6 weeks and look after my feet.
I move around the country and out of the country a lot so passing my care on to a gp is not an option for me.

 

[andromache]

I definitely agree that I need to make healthier choices for diabetes management but I’m also recovering from 20years of eating disorders most recently bulimia so I’m trying to get a healthy balanced diet for that also. It’s hard you know?

I have a history of ED too. It’s well in the past, but having to go low carb for unrelated health reasons was the thing that finally and fully transformed my relationship with food and nutrition. Once I found how strong and well I felt when properly nourished with lots of lovely, nutrient-rich low-carb food, there was no going back. I hope that it helps you restore a joyful, relaxed and healthy relationship with good food as well.

 

[AndBreathe]

Thanks for your replies. I have very much still got active bulimia. I’ve been trying to address this issue but I’ve had it for so long the behaviour is really entrenched. I hope it’s not going to be a lifelong thing but I fear it might. I’ve had anorexia and then bulimia since I was 8 years old i feel like I’m destroying my body.
I’ve had my eyes checked yes but not feet. But I do have pedicures every 6 weeks and look after my feet.
I move around the country and out of the country a lot so passing my care on to a gp is not an option for me.

I would broadly agree with @andromache in terms of relationship with food. I went from fearful of what the changes would do to me, to being happy with what my changes were doing FOR me.

It is pretty tricky to give you meaningful guidance whilst you have so much going on. Would it be fair to assume that if you are moving around a lot you are not in active treatment for your disordered eating?

To be honest, I would think your priorities would be to shift and maintain your ED in a much better place. As you know both anorexia and bulimia can be extremely damaging to out long term health.

I'm really so sorry, but for now, my best advice would be that you try to regularise your eating. By that, I don't mean that you schedule eating to clockwork, but that you focus on nutritionally dense foods that are filling. For me, that tends to be protein and fats. For carbs, focus on vegetables that grow above the ground, and berries, if you care for fruits.

Just in general terms, whilst cakes and so on are beguiling, they do little for us nutritionally and don't fill us up, so we want more fairly quickly.

I am so sorry that you are going through this, but I would urge you to invest in yourself, to make positive choices that could help you lead a healthier lifestyle.