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Type 2 Can sugars rise without food or drink

woollygal

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So I lay in bed for a while as I normally do after waking (about an hour) then tested, I was 6.1. Great.
Then went downstairs and prepared some homemade turkey sausages. Didn’t eat or drink a thing.
While doing this I noticed I started to feel really thirsty (expected after not drinking) and a bit headache and iffy. Though maybe sugars had dropped a bit and so tested.

They had gone up to 7.8.
How is this possible? Can sugars just go up willy nilly? Seems ridiculous.

But then everything with type 2 seems ridiculous and so what do I know.

So thought I’d ask.

Thanks
 
Yes, blood glucose levels can rise in the absence of food. This happens at night when we are sleeping (Dawn Phenomena) and in the daytime when we havn't eaten for a few hours (Liver Dump). Other times include when we are stressed, shocked (the cortisol/adrenaline response), during an infection, during excercise or suffering poor sleep. Even the weather can affect bg levels.
 
But I’m none of those things (well no more than usual), other than liver dump because I don’t know what that is.

OK - liver dumps (also known as "dawn phenomenon") occur when your liver releases sugar into your blood strem - usually happens while you're asleep and is part of your body preparing for the day ahead. Can result in high morning readings either on waking or sometimes later in the morning.

There are quite a few threads about it on the foruums.
 
Your liver naturally releases sugar into the bloodstream and metformin helps supress it, but sometimes the liver releases more than usual.

Saying that, you being thirsty could indicate dehydration and that can cause fluctuations in sugar. There are many things that can cause sugars to rise for no reason, and it is extremely annoying
 
Yes as has been said the liver stores sugars and releases them when triggered to do so. And you cannot control when it's triggered.
 
Your liver naturally releases sugar into the bloodstream and metformin helps supress it, but sometimes the liver releases more than usual.

Saying that, you being thirsty could indicate dehydration and that can cause fluctuations in sugar. There are many things that can cause sugars to rise for no reason, and it is extremely annoying

It is extremely annoying.

How on Earth are you supposed to control it when it basically does what the hell it likes!!

Thanks everyone.
 
Yes, blood glucose levels can rise in the absence of food. This happens at night when we are sleeping (Dawn Phenomena) and in the daytime when we havn't eaten for a few hours (Liver Dump). Other times include when we are stressed, shocked (the cortisol/adrenaline response), during an infection, during excercise or suffering poor sleep. Even the weather can affect bg levels.

How does weather affect it?
 
Some members find that having a bite to eat as soon as you can after waking can curb the dump and stop it from continuing to rise throughout the morning. Remember, without Dawn Phenomena/liver dump we wouldn't last the night, it is a natural process but for those of us with PreD and T2 the liver splurges too much glucose for far too long.
 
How does weather affect it?

During the heatwave we had this year some members reported slightly higher bg levels. This is because the body has to work harder to keep the system at optimal temperature, working harder requires more energy.
 
During the heatwave we had this year some members reported slightly higher bg levels. This is because the body has to work harder to keep the system at optimal temperature, working harder requires more energy.

Ah ok. Should be fine in Britain then! Those heatwaves are like gold dust
 
Some members find that having a bite to eat as soon as you can after waking can curb the dump and stop it from continuing to rise throughout the morning. Remember, without Dawn Phenomena/liver dump we wouldn't last the night, it is a natural process but for those of us with PreD and T2 the liver splurges too much glucose for far too long.

That’s the hard thing. I’m not a natural get up and eat person. Especially at weekends.
 
So I lay in bed for a while as I normally do after waking (about an hour) then tested, I was 6.1. Great.
Then went downstairs and prepared some homemade turkey sausages. Didn’t eat or drink a thing.
While doing this I noticed I started to feel really thirsty (expected after not drinking) and a bit headache and iffy. Though maybe sugars had dropped a bit and so tested.

They had gone up to 7.8.
How is this possible? Can sugars just go up willy nilly? Seems ridiculous.

But then everything with type 2 seems ridiculous and so what do I know.

So thought I’d ask.

Thanks

Hi and welcome to the forum. Firstly let me tag @daisy1 in so she can send you lots of important info.

Secondly blood sugars can be very unpredictable at the start (and 9 months in they still send me a few curb balls but generally I have them sussed ;)).

I like many t2d find that blood sugars do tend to rise from waking until you eat or drink something. If I'm not that hungry in the morning I will still have a coffee with double cream. I find this stops the rise. If you haven't already started I would do a food diary. You will then start to see patterns and understand how your body is working. The thing about diabetes is we could all have exactly the same to eat and drink but our bodies react differently.
 
That’s the hard thing. I’m not a natural get up and eat person. Especially at weekends.

Me neither. I make do with a bulletproof coffee.
 
So I lay in bed for a while as I normally do after waking (about an hour) then tested, I was 6.1. Great.
Then went downstairs and prepared some homemade turkey sausages. Didn’t eat or drink a thing.
While doing this I noticed I started to feel really thirsty (expected after not drinking) and a bit headache and iffy. Though maybe sugars had dropped a bit and so tested.

They had gone up to 7.8.
How is this possible? Can sugars just go up willy nilly? Seems ridiculous.

But then everything with type 2 seems ridiculous and so what do I know.

So thought I’d ask.

Thanks

Good Morning! (at least for me, I'm only GMT+2 :))

Yes - I often have problems with my BS in the mornings also, and this is a natural "body starts to get ready"-reaction. I often have to fight my BSL-rise with fast-acting insulin as soon as i get up from bed. Difference here is, that I'm type 1, but the same mechanisms applies to all of us...some it hits harder. Non-diabetics get levels corrected "automatically":meh:
 
Hi @Cana, According to my diabetes education, and to put the liver thing perhaps into better context: ( not as professional advice or opinion.
Our livers store some glucose from each meal. That storage is used between meals to help keep the blood glucose above a minimum level .
Why? because the brain primarily uses glucose as it fuel and gets very tetchy if the level of glucose is too low in the blood. Glucagon, a hormone made near insulin-producing cells is released when blood glucose level falls too low and influences the liver to release some stored glucose into the blood stream to correct the too-low level. Adrenaline, released during an emergency can also cause release of glucose from the liver, as a fuel source for action.
Other hormones have an influence on the effectiveness of insulin. It is all a very complex interplay of various mechanisms trying to maintain or bringing back equilibrium. Equilibrium is like riding a bike fast enough to maintain balance where various factors seek to destabilise that state and one's responses to re-stabilise things..
The Dawn Phenomenon (DP) is not fully understood but does involve a hormone called cortisol, the body's stress manager. If say, cortisol is released at 4 am as a wakeup prep, it does reduce the effectiveness of insulin. No problems with a non-diabetic because any sugar stabilising need is automatically dealt with by insulin release from the pancreas gland.
In diabetes that insulin response is either fairly absent, not timed well enough or only partly adequate (except if some one is using an insulin pump +/- CGM technology). So the relative insulin resistance caused by cortisol and the liver release of glucose (ungloriously called a liver dump) causes a high or higher than usual early morning/fasting blood glucose level.
Why are some diabetics more plagued than others by the DP is not understood.
Other causes of high BSLS particularly first thing in am: dietary excess the evening before, in T2D where endogenous (own insulin from one's pancreas) insulin deficiency is imminent, in T1D, insufficient insulin acting overnight, use of inactivated insulin, or rebound effect from a night-time hypo.
General stress, seasonal change and weather change may cause release of cortisol and high BSLs.
Infection causes increase in insulin resistance as the body fights the infection plus increased cortisol release.
So in one word the answer to your question in the whodunit is 'The Liver" with "Cortisol" and close second !! Best Wishes.
 
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