Can you help me please?

Ah - exercise - that would be something other people get to do in the free time they have because they don't have a husband at home who expects to be provided with food, drink, clean clothes and suchlike essentials.
I do get to go out to work as well, so I walk from car to problematic machine and back - I get to walk to the shops and bring back the bags on the bus, and when the weather is fine I do go out in the garden and bounce on the trampoline - but nothing which would deal with a blood glucose level in the high teens.

Resurgam said:

Ah - exercise - that would be something other people get to do in the free time they have because they don't have a husband at home who expects to be provided with food, drink, clean clothes and suchlike essentials.
I do get to go out to work as well, so I walk from car to problematic machine and back - I get to walk to the shops and bring back the bags on the bus, and when the weather is fine I do go out in the garden and bounce on the trampoline - but nothing which would deal with a blood glucose level in the high teens.

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It is in you to correct that !! Being sedentary is one of the major causes of DM. Exercise is one of the most effective treatments...

Paddyxx said:

Exercise is one of the most effective treatments...

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Diet is so much more important. For the first 15 months of having Type 2 I did not increase my exercise levels one jot but by adopting an ultra low carb diet I control my blood sugar levels pretty well, as well as loosing 7 stone.
My brain still works, although you seem to think it shouldn't, my muscles have not disappeared and everything else appears to function very well.
You insist on making assertions but have not provided any science and you have also posted some rather misleading "facts".
By keeping carbs very low some of us get pretty good results with no side effects maybe you could try it and see...

bulkbiker said:

Diet is so much more important. For the first 15 months of having Type 2 I did not increase my exercise levels one jot but by adopting an ultra low carb diet I control my blood sugar levels pretty well, as well as loosing 7 stone.
My brain still works, although you seem to think it shouldn't, my muscles have not disappeared and everything else appears to function very well.
You insist on making assertions but have not provided any science and you have also posted some rather misleading "facts".
By keeping carbs very low some of us get pretty good results with no side effects maybe you could try it and see...

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any T2 who eats 150g CHO a day has to find some way to justify it to make themselves feel better.

Just happens rubbishing LC and keto with zero evidence or real knowledge of the subject meets that justification in this instance.

bulkbiker said:

Diet is so much more important. For the first 15 months of having Type 2 I did not increase my exercise levels one jot but by adopting an ultra low carb diet I control my blood sugar levels pretty well, as well as loosing 7 stone.
My brain still works, although you seem to think it shouldn't, my muscles have not disappeared and everything else appears to function very well.
You insist on making assertions but have not provided any science and you have also posted some rather misleading "facts".
By keeping carbs very low some of us get pretty good results with no side effects maybe you could try it and see...

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That's only YOUR opinion as it is again nonsense !! Exercise is the BEST thing any able bodied diabetic can do !! Adding exercise to ones treatment will improve ALL health outcomes and do more to reduce complications in the long run. Perhaps you should read some more....read the DCCT and the UKPDS ! You can search "Health benefits of exercise" and "Exercise to control BG" or any variation of the same and read for yourself...seeing as that you're not moving or going anywhere.

I don't understand what treatment is required - eating low carb gives normal blood glucose readings - what benefit is there in increasing carb intake, elevating blood glucose levels and then exercising them down again?
My doctor isn't interested in treating me for anything - the diabetes education people were struck dumb - my weekly averages are dropping lower and lower - just what benefit would I gain from making changes in my diet?

Paddyxx said:

That's only YOUR opinion as it is again nonsense !! Exercise is the BEST thing any able bodied diabetic can do !! Adding exercise to ones treatment will improve ALL health outcomes and do more to reduce complications in the long run. Perhaps you should read some more....read the DCCT and the UKPDS ! You can search "Health benefits of exercise" and "Exercise to control BG" or any variation of the same and read for yourself...seeing as that you're not moving or going anywhere.

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http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/12/e147.short
https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/type-2-diabetes/type-2-diabetes-exercise
http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20188779,00.html

There are plenty more...funny...If I search "Exercise bad for diabetes"...nothing pops...the only time it can be hazardous is if you overdo it and go low. One has to remember...over a period of time hyperglycemia can lead to many different outcomes...so being HEALTHY in all aspects is prudent !!!

Resurgam said:

I don't understand what treatment is required - eating low carb gives normal blood glucose readings - what benefit is there in increasing carb intake, elevating blood glucose levels and then exercising them down again?
My doctor isn't interested in treating me for anything - the diabetes education people were struck dumb - my weekly averages are dropping lower and lower - just what benefit would I gain from making changes in my diet?

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Ummm....you've been at it for a few months ? Show me a single study that's lasted more than a year....you can't...want to know why ? It is not sustainable by the vast majority of people....the VAST majority of the people simply stop eating low carbs, gain back all the water they lost and thus the weight and often rebound and end up heavier than when they started. Most diet plans are fads.....all things in moderation ! Eat the apple and go for a walk instead.

No one is disputing that exercise is good for people - including diabetics. That ain't rocket science.

However, we are asserting that exercise is not necessary for blood glucose control, providing carb intake is controlled.

You still haven't answered the questions that have been asked of you. And you certainly haven't come up with any evidence to support your various carb assertions.

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Ummm....you've been at it for a few months ? Show me a single study that's lasted more than a year....you can't...want to know why ? It is not sustainable by the vast majority of people....the VAST majority of the people simply stop eating low carbs, gain back all the water they lost and thus the weight and often rebound and end up heavier than when they started. Most diet plans are fads.....all things in moderation ! Eat the apple and go for a walk instead.

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I was diagnosed last November - but I think that eating low carb prevented me showing any symptoms of diabetes for a long time beforehand. I started to eat low carb in the mid 1970s but doctors were always telling me how bad it was - I almost lost a baby to pre eclampsia because I was given a strict instruction to follow a 'proper' diet. I was diagnosed after almost two years of a cholesterol reducing diet, which didn't work and made me put on weight at a great rate.
Why on earth would I want to eat something which could make me go blind or develop gangrene in the long term?
My grandmother died from the complications of diabetes - it was a long and very nasty process - I will not be going the same way.

Resurgam said:

I was diagnosed last November - but I think that eating low carb prevented me showing any symptoms of diabetes for a long time beforehand. I started to eat low carb in the mid 1970s but doctors were always telling me how bad it was - I almost lost a baby to pre eclampsia because I was given a strict instruction to follow a 'proper' diet. I was diagnosed after almost two years of a cholesterol reducing diet, which didn't work and made me put on weight at a great rate.
Why on earth would I want to eat something which could make me go blind or develop gangrene in the long term?
My grandmother died from the complications of diabetes - it was a long and very nasty process - I will not be going the same way.

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We all die of something...I think you are sadly misinformed but that's something you have to live with. So...even eating low carb you're still diabetic...see that plan worked well. Eating low carb you were 248 lbs....again...where are all these benefits of eating low carb ?

@Kennypot Those of us who have experienced the effectiveness of low carb will simply share our experiences. You have to make your own decision on whether it is a lifestyle that fits you.

Exercise certainly has its benefits...but doesn't have the same glucose lowering effects that carbs restriction provides.

Understanding the effects of carbs on our glucose/insulin levels, understanding the beneficial and therapeutic effects of ketosis from low carbs, ketogenic diet and fasting gives us a lot of control and allow many of us to stay medication free with near normal glucose level.

It's a shame that the personal arguments about how to handle things - relevant as they may be - despite many of those who have posted not actually using insulin - do not seem to be answering @Kennypot 's original post!!

Kennypot said:

I have type 2 diabetes and have been told that I may have to go on insulin injections due to tablets I am taking failing to work. He also told me that I would weight on with taking insulin. Is this true?

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As SueNSW has said this thread seems to have gone astray.

I am a T2 and have used insulin I used it from diagnosis up until I weaned myself off it about 12 months later having successfully lost 4 stones in weight, over the next year I lost a further stone in weight and have maintained my weight loss for over 8 years now.

So in answer to your question does insulin make you put on weight? Well the answer is not at all cut and dried and heres why.

If you are prescribed mixed insulin that is a mix of long or medium and fast acting insulin to keep your bg levels stable throughout the day, in this case you will have to eat a specific number of carbs to match the insulin you are taking and if it is set too high and you will have to eat too much so yes, you may well put on weight.

If on the other hand you are prescribed MDI or multiple daily injections of insulin as I was where you inject a long or medium acting insulin before you go to bed that will keep your levels stable over night and fast acting insulin before every meal and this insulin is adjustable depending on the carbs in the meal you eat so it allows you to decide how many carbs you eat at any meal so you dont have to follow the same diet every day and instead of eating to your insulin you inject only enough insulin for the meal you are eating.

If you dont want to put on weight you will need to either have your mixed insulin set exactly at the correct level for you to sustain your weight which could prove difficult or ask to be prescribed MDI insulin and inject only enough insulin to cover the food you need to eat to sustain your weight. If you need to lose weight you will need to reduce the amount of calories you eat and an easy way to do that is to cut back on the carbs you eat, you just have to find the correct level for you.

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And just to cover a few other points made in this thread not everyone is able to exercise, I have chronic arthritis in my lower spine so any exercise sees me in agony the next day, I also have a lung condition that makes me very breathless after any exertion.

And not everyone wants to eat a ketogenic diet at the other end of the argument.

There are probably as many variants of a lc diets as there are people eating them. I never added any extra fat to my diet at all and neither did I do any exercise at all so no one is 100% right so stop arguing or its handbags at dawn

Kennypot said:

I have type 2 diabetes and have been told that I may have to go on insulin injections due to tablets I am taking failing to work. He also told me that I would weight on with taking insulin. Is this true?

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Taking in more calories than you need makes you gain weight...insulin doesn't do anything but handle nutrients.

Thanks for your words of wisdom @Sid Bonkers - shame the OP seems to have been scared off

Jamesuk9 said:

any T2 who eats 150g CHO a day has to find some way to justify it to make themselves feel better.

Just happens rubbishing LC and keto with zero evidence or real knowledge of the subject meets that justification in this instance.

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Wow...I don't have to justify ANYTHING to ANYONE but myself !! I feel sorry for you that you feel you have to leave nutrient out of your diet and that you ideal day means sitting on the couch watching TV instead of actually MOVING your derrier and getting some exercise. I'm sorry you're letting the world pass you by but don't think for a second that I have to justify ANYTHING to the likes of you !!

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Wow...I don't have to justify ANYTHING to ANYONE but myself !! I feel sorry for you that you feel you have to leave nutrient out of your diet and that you ideal day means sitting on the couch watching TV instead of actually MOVING your derrier and getting some exercise. I'm sorry you're letting the world pass you by but don't think for a second that I have to justify ANYTHING to the likes of you !!

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Haha, man, do your homework before making assumptions...

I am 10 stone 7lbs with a BMI of 21 and 13% body fat... I cover around 30 miles per week at 6mph on my feet and am fitter than you could probably ever dream of. I also have the six pack you probably always dreamed of... At 52 yrs of age.....

Feel stupid now?

Chuckling x

I nearly got my popcorn out lol. Lots of information for everyone to consider x