Cannabis

volvicwater22 · Feb 28, 2013

woahhh it doesnt lower blood sugar, if anything it controls it better. read up online diabetes and weed go hand in hand together

Bodybuilder type1 · Feb 28, 2013

People are saying animal insulin is the same as the one we receive from the pharmacy is bull.....
You would not want to rely on animal insulin it is not consistent and is very easy to over inject taking 5units will not be the exact same every time ,so buy saying insulin is natural is correct but natural to what animal ,human or pig
Although pig is just like humans that's why we can transplant pigs organs over to uz
So if you eat pork it's the same as eating human ! Haha

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MCMLXXIII · Mar 1, 2013

Bodybuilder type1 said:
People are saying animal insulin is the same as the one we receive from the pharmacy is bull.....
You would not want to rely on animal insulin it is not consistent and is very easy to over inject taking 5units will not be the exact same every time ,so buy saying insulin is natural is correct but natural to what animal ,human or pig
Although pig is just like humans that's why we can transplant pigs organs over to uz
So if you eat pork it's the same as eating human ! Haha

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Kind of puts a different slant on the bacon butty doesn't it?:mrgreen:

The last time i had cannabis in 1991 i fell of a cliff at crank caverns.
I was found an hour later by friends (we were camping) on my back in a peat bog talking nonsense.
Needless to say i feel very lucky to have survived.
We then went back up and drank aldi challenge lager all night.

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metalmagpie · Mar 1, 2013

There is a drug test for cannabis as a remedy for type II going on at the moment. First part was about 18months ago, next part is starting in about a month.

TokSik · Mar 1, 2013

For anyone interested in the research using cannabis (the stuff we're all after is currently GW's Sativex) and its compounds (GWP42004), the place to look is on the site of the company in the UK doing the research at http://www.gwpharm.com/product-pipeline.aspx (which shows the stages for each of the drugs being tested and what stage of approval they are at) and an over-view of the effects on diabetes at http://www.gwpharm.com/metabolic-syndrome.aspx.
If anyone knows of other research and approvals (for diabetic uses) elsewhere around the world, it might be useful to mention it on this thread, so that a body of evidence can be built up for use by anyone who wants to chance their hand at legal action against the NHS (Judicial Review ??) to authorise it judicially (maybe using EEC law to over-ride UK law).

sky · Mar 2, 2013

poor bretty having to put up with all this nonsense, geeezeeeee lighten up folks

harry78 · Mar 2, 2013

What a shame there is such a kneejerk response to the subject of cannabis. i can't comment on its efficacy regarding Type 2 because I no longer have a problem, simply by eating properly! Am I glad to put all the drugs and their side effects behind me. Thanks to the Bayer meter I got thru this website I monitored my blood/glucose levels for two years and apart for entry into the world of Prednisolone (steroids) which pushed my readings skyhigh I have effectively been free from Type 2 symptoms. But wasn't it hard to get my GP to recognise my evidence and it wasn't easy to get a prescription for the test strips until I made it clear I wasn't going anywhere without it!

My latest HbA1c was 5.66.

With regard to Cannabis,and I am talking about the original unadulterated marijuana not today's 'skunk', we should remember this was considered an acceptable remedy for ages stretching into the early 20th century when our beloved politicians got their fingers into the matter (always the kiss of death). Now it is at least decriminalised in several U.S. states and many doctors in this country tolerate it at the least. It is, as with all things, a question of sensible and not excessive use. A couple of decades ago I suffered from Glaucoma and had reached the point where I faced the choice of surgery or drugs, in the form of eyedrops, for the rest of my life. I read a paper offered by a researcher at Harvard whose trials showed that cannabis was an effective treatment for glaucoma. Essentially, it lowered the pressure in the eyes. I told my consultant about this and said I preferred the idea to a lifetime condemned to using eyedrops. (All this was at a specialist eye hospital!) The consultant smiled at me and said he had heard that it was an effective treatment. Obviously, he couldn't approve. So I went ahead and a decade later I was cured-no more need for cannabis and no need for eyedrops.
I also had a friend (I am of the age when many of my friends are now dead) who retired from being a Prison Governor and gave his services to running a centre for people suffering from MS. Many of them used cannabis to alleviate their symptoms and from the evidence of his own eyes he said it was clearly of such benefit to them he could not do other than accept it for what it was and not for what we are taught to believe.

MonoJono · Mar 3, 2013

Just because it was made illegal when little was known about it doesnt make it wrong.
The US government holds a patent on cannabis being used as a cancer cure.
It is a safer alternative to codeine which is derived from opium (also the base for heroin, morphine, methadone etc). It is also a safer alternative to amitryptaline (anti depressant) for dealing with nerve pain.
Can anyone put a figure to the number of deaths caused by cannabis (not tobacco)? I imagine nobody can put a figure to the number of people addicted the prescription pain killers either or the cost to the NHS.

foreverdelayed · Mar 3, 2013

MonoJono said:
Just because it was made illegal when little was known about it doesnt make it wrong"

Very true. I tried nytol (diphenhydramine) when I was having trouble sleeping, got addicted, it was horrible and it gave me nosebleeds! And its legal. Last time I got drunk I was violently ill. Legal. Last time I smoked, good nights sleep, good appetite. Illegal! PS peter hitchens is a complete animal. Did you see his piece in the daily mail regarding the guy who committed suicide. The man should be illegal. Disgrace. Prohibition through fear does more damage than the drug itself, not to mention that it goes against the very ideals parents and teachers try to uphold. You can disagree all you want but think about it, do you say to your son or daughter that if you catch them drinking before the age of 18 you'll shop them to the police, or for stealing a sweet? Its crazy, we try and instill a recognition of right and wrong, which has its challenges, through compassion and understanding and the whole time our government goes against this with a fear culture. Fear is damaging to youths, that's why we got rid of corporal punishment! An underworld ran by gangsters has been the result of prohibition which only serves to leech on the vulnerable and to create false egos and ideals. Decriminalizing would bring regulation, education and taxation to the table and who knows but it might just work. There is evidence!!!!!

"You allow me poison for my liver, poison for my lungs, but you deny me freedom of the mind, and you tax me for the privilege"

MCMLXXIII · Mar 3, 2013

I've nothing but fond memories of cannabis from my earlier years.

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foreverdelayed · Mar 4, 2013

Thanks Peter
Some very useful info there.

anna29 · Mar 4, 2013

Hi All.

I have moved the recent post with a huge amount of links included in it .
These will 'all' need checking and see 'if' they are in keeping with the topic .

If all is okay, the post will be returned .

With thanks.
Anna.

duranie · Mar 4, 2013

There is a drug called Sativex, primarily for MS sufferers, but I get it due to extremely painful peripheral neuropathy

Peter Reynolds · Mar 4, 2013

anna29 said:
Hi All.

I have moved the recent post with a huge amount of links included in it .
These will 'all' need checking and see 'if' they are in keeping with the topic .

If all is okay, the post will be returned .

With thanks.
Anna.

Well, Anna, I was just trying to help. All the info comes from the very well respected 'Granny's List' and is mostly peer-reviewed, published scientific research.

Are you seriously telling me that you vet every link to scientific research?

anna29 · Mar 4, 2013

Peter Reynolds said:
anna29 said:

Hi All.

I have moved the recent post with a huge amount of links included in it .
These will 'all' need checking and see 'if' they are in keeping with the topic .

If all is okay, the post will be returned .

With thanks.
Anna.

Click to expand...

Well, Anna, I was just trying to help. All the info comes from the very well respected 'Granny's List' and is mostly peer-reviewed, published scientific research.

Are you seriously telling me that you vet every link to scientific/medical research?

No Peter we 'dont' vet every link to scientific/medical research .

Your post earlier contained such a vast quantity and range of them .
There was 'so many links' ...
Hence 'why' I transferred them out to be checked .

If there hadnt been this large quantity or range of them - they would have been
much easier to veiw and see them as topic discussion relevant .

Hope this explains

Anna.

Peter Reynolds · Mar 4, 2013

I think the point is that there is a vast amount of evidence for the efficacy of cannabis and cannabinoids in the treatment of many medical conditions. All the links I posted earlier are directly related to diabetes and disorders related to it. The relatively new science of the endocannabinoid system explains why mankind has used cannabis as medicine for more than 5000 years. Only 100 years ago, half of all medicines in the British pharmacopeia contained cannabis.

The uncomfortable truth is that we have all been subject to a massive disinformation campaign supported by governments but latterly funded principally by the alcohol industry which is terrified of a much safer and healthier alternative to its poisonous products. The tragedy is that to prevent people enjoying a mild and gentle 'high' the medicinal uses of cannabis have been banned - or at least they have in Britain unless you can get Sativex which costs 10x the price that organised crime charges for a pharmacologically identical product on the streets.

The truly ridiculous thing is that throughout Europe, America and Israel, medicinal cannabis is widely available. Only in Britain and France is it denied, yet Britain is the only country in the world that has licensed a pharmaceutical company to grow thousands of plants to create Sativex - which is highly concentrated cannabis, containing all the active ingredients from the plants from which it is made.

Meanwhile, our corrupt, dishonest and deeply cruel government states "There is no medicinal value in cannabis".

You really couldn't make it up could you?

jamby41 · Mar 4, 2013

I have had a few joints never on a regular basis because I got the munchies bad. I used it because of shift patterns at work, it relaxed me and allowed me a great night sleep. I have asthma so it wasn't a good idea long term. I have fybromyalgia and if I hadn't been diagnosed with diabetes I would most definitely have tried a space cake every once in a while as I now do not smoke. However I do use an electronic cigarette and they do cannabis e liquid alas I doubt it is as good as the real thing.

foreverdelayed · Mar 4, 2013

Couldn't have put it better myself Peter. I request that the links be reinstalled to the forum as I as many others would be delighted to peruse this vital information.

Giverny · Mar 5, 2013

Robinredbreast said:
Hi just wanted to add a few things to this thread. I am not one of the people who know nothing about Cannabis, I went out with a smoker and as I said before I tried it once........... and never again :sick:
Bretty
Cannabis users are not lazy? well my partner was. Cannabis uses are some of the nicest people, errrrr no, you can't say that about all users, unless you know every single one :? I have no idea where you live, but if it was in a country where it is tolerated or legal, then, by reading your posts, I'm sure you would of voiced that.
Cannabis affects your mind, fact, seen it. My ex had a dog, dog got out, noone tried to stop it except me, but the dog was off. I phoned the police to find out if the dog had been found, luckily he was. We went to collect dog, I insisted that a lead was taken. When we went to get the dog, found the police pound, my ex couldn't even get himself together to get the lead onto the dog and the dog was running about, but I managed to get dog, Police didn't look very impressed! Don't know if they suspected anything :!:

When visiting my sister and her husband ( it was the 1st time they had met my ex) when he found out my BIL worked in the Navy and went to certain countries he asked if he could bring back a block of Cannabis so it could be eventually cut up and sold, Oh the look on their faces is one that will stay with me forever, believe me. Making a lovely dinner, he couldn't eat it, too chilled out :eh: and couldn't do other things ( not going into detail, but denied anything was wrong) These are just a few of my memories.

I have RLS, Restleg leg Syndrome, I have had it for over 15 years. The problem with RLS is that when you are resting, tired, bedtime etc the RLS starts. A good way to relieve the symptoms is by walking about, shaking legs, or doing something phyiscal so as to take your mind off of the jerky and the horrible sensation in the legs. So how Cannabis can help your condition is baffaling to me. I have to take tablets at bedtime and also during the day.

I work in a chemist, customers come in and certain customers come in for certain medication. One in particular sinks the shop out with the smell of the Cannabis that he has just smoked. We are breathing this in( even though it would be, I think, a tiny amount and also people who come into the shop, the elderly and youngsters. As soon as he leaves the shop, I spray air freshner everywhere.

Also wasn't there a case a while ago, where a man gave his pet rabbit Cannabis and the poor thing was so 'out of it' it couldn't escape the jaws of another animal?

People do take natural Insulin, taken from dead pigs and cows, it is still in use, used worldwide and not manufactoured in a lab.

Smoking, whatever the substance is not good for the lungs, that's a fact. If people want to smoke whatever substances then thats there choice. But please remember,younger people view this forum and any type of 'drug' should not be glamourised in any way whatsoever( and I am using the word glamourised, loosley) What people do for their own recreational use is entirely up to them.

This is what I know, been there and what I have seen.

A smoker will advocate their smoking, an alcoholic will advocate their drinking and also a gambler etc, the first line of defence is to attack.

Best wishes RRB

With all due respect, that sounds to me like it was more than just cannabis that this man was on. Not wanting to eat a meal? One of the biggest side effects of smoking is an insatiable appetite. I do believe though that cannabis, like any other non-lethal drug, should be used in moderation... and it definitely shouldn't be fed to animals. How sick can some people be?

Patch · Mar 5, 2013

foreverdelayed said:
Couldn't have put it better myself Peter. I request that the links be reinstalled to the forum as I as many others would be delighted to peruse this vital information.

I'll second that request. I'd love to take a look at the information in those links.

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