Type 2 Can't sleep

[Squeekyboy]

Hi everybody,
Having trouble sleeping, yet going to bed at my usual time. Don't sleep at all changing position most of the night but wide awake. Any help please?
Squeekyboy

 

[Spl@]

Coffee, job change, diet any recent illness.

Something has happened causing it and if you can look back objectively it may well be obvious.

 

[Mr_Pot]

I had great difficulty sleeping in the days up to Xmas - mind you I was aged 6 at the time.

 

[Simha]

It's horrible, isn't it? I have periods where I wake up after 1 hour, or 2. And from then on wake up every hour. No extra stress, irrespective of what I've eaten, no recent illness, just ongoing stuff. It wears you out, it plays havoc with your cognitive skills and in the end you start to hallucinate. In my case, usually auditory hallucinations. Hearing things that are not there, and I know it.

Funny thing is, all around me people are complaining about having broken nights or not sleeping for hours. Most of them do not have diabetes.
GP's usually put it down to stress. Avoid stress, is the sound medical advise. As if you could if that is the reason. But usually you expect sleepless nights, when stressed.

So, I can't help you. Just sympathise. Been a terrible sleeper all of my 60 years. As a tod I would stand upright in my bed most of the night, or so my mum told me.
Try, if you can, not to worry about it too much. If you fear a sleepless night, it usually happens.

And then, one morning, you wake up and you realise you slept most of the night. Why? Nobody knows.

 

[Jaylee]

Hi,

This is a bit "new age" but was mentioned by a sleep specialist to a freind of mine...

Use the bedroom for sleep. If you must wake & read? Do it in another room.
Gadgets. TVs, radios (clock radios.) tablets & mobile phones. Keep em out of the room.

To be fair if you need an alarm to wake? (As a "safety net".) put it where it can be heard outside the bedroom door..

Hope this may help? Sleepless nights ain't good for body or soul..

 

[Squeekyboy]

Coffee, job change, diet any recent illness.

Something has happened causing it and if you can look back objectively it may well be obvious.

Coffee, job change, diet any recent illness.

Something has happened causing it and if you can look back objectively it may well be obvious.

Spl@
Yes, I've had two changes in medication so that could be it. I now take Gliclazide instead of Merformin as it kept me on the loo most of the day & replaced Warfarin with Rivaoxaban, so this may be why.
Thanks, I'll ask my GP.
All the best for Christmas & the Newyear to you & your family.
Squeekyboy

 

[Jaylee]

Spl@
Yes, I've had two changes in medication so that could be it. I now take Gliclazide instead of Merformin as it kept me on the loo most of the day & replaced Warfarin with Rivaoxaban, so this may be why.
Thanks, I'll ask my GP.
All the best for Christmas & the Newyear to you & your family.
Squeekyboy

Oh, hello?! Have you checked your BGs on these sleepless nights on Glic? A dip may also disrupt sleep.

 

[Squeekyboy]

It's horrible, isn't it? I have periods where I wake up after 1 hour, or 2. And from then on wake up every hour. No extra stress, irrespective of what I've eaten, no recent illness, just ongoing stuff. It wears you out, it plays havoc with your cognitive skills and in the end you start to hallucinate. In my case, usually auditory hallucinations. Hearing things that are not there, and I know it.

Funny thing is, all around me people are complaining about having broken nights or not sleeping for hours. Most of them do not have diabetes.
GP's usually put it down to stress. Avoid stress, is the sound medical advise. As if you could if that is the reason. But usually you expect sleepless nights, when stressed.

So, I can't help you. Just sympathise. Been a terrible sleeper all of my 60 years. As a tod I would stand upright in my bed most of the night, or so my mum told me.
Try, if you can, not to worry about it too much. If you fear a sleepless night, it usually happens.

And then, one morning, you wake up and you realise you slept most of the night. Why? Nobody knows.

@Simha
Thank you for your words here, yes it has been getting me down, as I feel burnt out during the day.
Thank you.
All the best to you & your family.
Sqeekyboy

 

[Squeekyboy]

Hi,

Oh, hello?! Have you checked your BGs on these sleepless nights on Glic? A dip may also disrupt sleep.

Thanks for your reply. Why, do they cause problems with sleep? But no I never thought to test, I just wanted to go to sleep but now you've mentioned it I'll check BG tonight before bed & later.
Sometimes I've gone to sleep only to wake an hour after, then stay awake for the rest of the night.
So thanks for this.
All the best to you & your family.
Squeekyboy

 

[Squeekyboy]

Thank you, I'll try anything to get bit of shut-eye!!
Squeekyboy

 

[kitedoc]

Hi @Squeekyboy, as a Type 1 diabetic, not as professional advice or opinion.
I agree with @Jaylee about those measures, something which is part of 'sleep hygiene'. And with @Spl@ about caffeine, 3 cups max per day and all before 4 pm. Stress and the silly season do not help sleep either. Who knows who may visit and cause noise - reindeer, Santa or a burglar.
Also I agree with @Jaylee about the suggestions about Glic causing low BSLs. The lower limit of BSL range according to the Home page search box upper right - Hypoglycaemia - is either 4 mmol/l or 3.6 mmol/l. (depending on whose is quoting the criterion).
Mind you, how each of us interprets our BSL reading depends on what the accuracy of your glucose meter is.
Most are +/- 15 % so a glucose meter BSL reading of say 4.5 mmol/l could be in a range of 3.85 to 5.175 mmol/l or to take the lower 'hypo' figure, (of 3.6 mmol/l) a glucose meter reading of 4.2 mmol/l could be 3.57 to 4.83 mmol/l.
Also the hypoglycaemia information will help you to see whether any of your symptoms at night are like a hypo. For me, restlessness, sweating and thus wet PJs, dreams etc.. You would need to speak with your doctor about what to do with the Glic if your BSL is low at night, but also read up on what to do to treat any low BSL.
The other thought to consider if other things above are attended to and no cause found or no positive effect of suggested measures is to ask your GP, could it be Obstructive Sleep Apnoea (OSA)?
Type 2 diabetics are more prone to having OSA, see mayoclinic.org - Obstructive sleep apnea. for explanation and symptoms, test and treatment.
Meantime I hope your sleep settles quickly and easily.

 

[Squeekyboy]

T

Hi @Squeekyboy, as a Type 1 diabetic, not as professional advice or opinion.
I agree with @Jaylee about those measures, something which is part of 'sleep hygiene'. And with @Spl@ about caffeine, 3 cups max per day and all before 4 pm. Stress and the silly season do not help sleep either. Who knows who may visit and cause noise - reindeer, Santa or a burglar.
Also I agree with @Jaylee about the suggestions about Glic causing low BSLs. The lower limit of BSL range according to the Home page search box upper right - Hypoglycaemia - is either 4 mmol/l or 3.6 mmol/l. (depending on whose is quoting the criterion).
Mind you, how each of us interprets our BSL reading depends on what the accuracy of your glucose meter is.
Most are +/- 15 % so a glucose meter BSL reading of say 4.5 mmol/l could be in a range of 3.85 to 5.175 mmol/l or to take the lower 'hypo' figure, (of 3.6 mmol/l) a glucose meter reading of 4.2 mmol/l could be 3.57 to 4.83 mmol/l.
Also the hypoglycaemia information will help you to see whether any of your symptoms at night are like a hypo. For me, restlessness, sweating and thus wet PJs, dreams etc.. You would need to speak with your doctor about what to do with the Glic if your BSL is low at night, but also read up on what to do to treat any low BSL.
The other thought to consider if other things above are attended to and no cause found or no positive effect of suggested measures is to ask your GP, could it be Obstructive Sleep Apnoea (OSA)?
Type 2 diabetics are more prone to having OSA, see mayoclinic.org - Obstructive sleep apnea. for explanation and symptoms, test and treatment.
Meantime I hope your sleep settles quickly and easily.

Thank you, I have suffered from OSA a little in the past but I think this may have something to do with Glic, as have not been on it long, will be doing a spot of home work on this as last night I had found myself cold & sweating but wide awake.

My thanks to you all & have a good Christmas & New year.
Squeekyboy

 

[Simha]

Hi,

This is a bit "new age" but was mentioned by a sleep specialist to a freind of mine...

Use the bedroom for sleep. If you must wake & read? Do it in another room.
Gadgets. TVs, radios (clock radios.) tablets & mobile phones. Keep em out of the room.

To be fair if you need an alarm to wake? (As a "safety net".) put it where it can be heard outside the bedroom door..

Hope this may help? Sleepless nights ain't good for body or soul..

If you are a "bad" sleeper, you've tried everything. From counting sheep, hot milk and trying to empty your head. I've done the alphabet with place names, boys names, etc. You name it, I've tried it. And apart from the obvious in my heyday, I've always used the bedroom for sleeping. No mobile, tablet or other gadgets near my bed, except a mobile to use as an alarm, twice a week. Makes no difference.
Did the checks 3x a night to see if it was my bs...no spike, no dip. Not that either.
Some of us just don't have it...the ability to sleep the night away.

 

[kitedoc]

T

Thank you, I have suffered from OSA a little in the past but I think this may have something to do with Glic, as have not been on it long, will be doing a spot of home work on this as last night I had found myself cold & sweating but wide awake.

My thanks to you all & have a good Christmas & New year.
Squeekyboy

Not sure what you mean suffered 'a bit' from OSA. Have you had a sleep study done to assess the severity of your OSA?
Have you been advised as to treatment? And how long ago was this OSA found?
? Time for repeat testing to see whether the level of severity has improved or gotten worse?

 

[Trekpole]

Hi everybody,
Having trouble sleeping, yet going to bed at my usual time. Don't sleep at all changing position most of the night but wide awake. Any help please?
Squeekyboy

Try valerian and passion flower and hope. Never had problems since taking these and I have restless legs.

 

[Squeekyboy]

Hi

Try valerian and passion flower and hope. Never had problems since taking these and I have restless legs.

Hi & thanks for the herbal remedies.
I found this & a few others such as Lavendr & Jasmin oil. But since you have mentioned the Valerian & Passion flower I shall buy some, try it & keep some in.
Thank you & have a goodtime for the rest of the holiday. Squeekyboy

 

[Squeekyboy]

Hi

Not sure what you mean suffered 'a bit' from OSA. Have you had a sleep study done to assess the severity of your OSA?
Have you been advised as to treatment? And how long ago was this OSA found?
? Time for repeat testing to see whether the level of severity has improved or gotten worse?

Hi, well not had any tests for.osa but have had times when I'm just about to not off & ooh a slight miss beat of my heart & I'm awake again & this keeps happening for sround an hour or so then I'd fall to sleep till morning. So if yhat is not what you are talking about then my mistake.
Squeekyboy

 

[kitedoc]

Hi @Squeekyboy, Part of the problem with OSA I gather is is that you may not be aware of what is happening with breathing whilst asleep or partly asleep. The sleep study is supposed to be the 'gold standard' for diagnosing OSA. Your GP is the go-to person for that.