Hi All, My first post, and not very computer savvy so hope it reaches you, and doesn't disappear into cyber-space. Diagnosed Type2 February 2012, and waited for all the 'support' Dr. promised me. Still waiting... Decided to take life into own hands and do it via research and internet. 10 months, 7 or 8 books and 'square eyes' later, Got my HbA1c down to 44, so well done unsupported Carol. Read David Mendosa's pages, and tried his recommended Chana Dal - had to order it over net as no-one local knew what it was (no Indian shops) MEGA SUCCESS! Blood glucose spike only 7.2 after big curry of veggies and chana dal. could hardly believe meter. Asked to see nutritionist in hospital last week, and guess what....she recommended lots of carbs and LOW FAT diet. Am I from some parallel universe or is the truth about low fat/high carbs not getting through to most of the professionals in the UK? Or am I being seduced by a lot of 'low-carb' zealots with their research. (Dr.Bernstein et al) Who else has experimented with Chana Dal, and any other Super Diabetic Friendly Foods??
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Hi, Carolthorman,
Welcome to the forum.
When I was diagnosed with diabetes type 2 last April, I thought I would try a vegan diet.
The diet has shown good results for me so I have decided to carry on with the diet with some modification.
I haven't herd of Chana Dal until I read your thread.
I am now going to order some as it sounds very good. Thanks,
With all the recommendations and money spinning books out there, it becomes difficult to know whats best.
Self control seems best to me.(and this forum off coarse)
Roy.
Welcome to the forum.
When I was diagnosed with diabetes type 2 last April, I thought I would try a vegan diet.
The diet has shown good results for me so I have decided to carry on with the diet with some modification.
I haven't herd of Chana Dal until I read your thread.
I am now going to order some as it sounds very good. Thanks,
With all the recommendations and money spinning books out there, it becomes difficult to know whats best.
Self control seems best to me.(and this forum off coarse)
Roy.
Hi Carolthorman
Yes, you are existing in a parallel universe. There's the universe that the UK's government health advisors inhabit, then there's the universe that the rest of us live in. The UK medical profession (within the NHS), and that includes dieticians, has no option but to follow the government health guidelines, even though many health professionals realise that they are totally inappropriate to people with diabetes. Unfortunately the NHS doesn't believe that a diabetic should have any different dietary needs than anyone else.
When a health professional tells you to eat plenty of starchy carbohydrates, its because that's what they have been instructed to tell you.
Many people in the other universe believe that the NHS recommendation that two thirds of your daily intake should be carbohydrate is more carbs than most diabetics can cope with. The situation was the same in the US until a couple of years ago when the ADA finally saw sense and now recommends a lower daily carb intake for diabetics. How much carbohydrate you can eat and still maintain control of your blood sugar levels is something that only you can discover. There's no magic carb target and what will give some people good control is not the right level for others. If you experiment and keep testing your blood sugars as you go, you will soon find what works for you.
Dennis
Yes, you are existing in a parallel universe. There's the universe that the UK's government health advisors inhabit, then there's the universe that the rest of us live in. The UK medical profession (within the NHS), and that includes dieticians, has no option but to follow the government health guidelines, even though many health professionals realise that they are totally inappropriate to people with diabetes. Unfortunately the NHS doesn't believe that a diabetic should have any different dietary needs than anyone else.
When a health professional tells you to eat plenty of starchy carbohydrates, its because that's what they have been instructed to tell you.
Many people in the other universe believe that the NHS recommendation that two thirds of your daily intake should be carbohydrate is more carbs than most diabetics can cope with. The situation was the same in the US until a couple of years ago when the ADA finally saw sense and now recommends a lower daily carb intake for diabetics. How much carbohydrate you can eat and still maintain control of your blood sugar levels is something that only you can discover. There's no magic carb target and what will give some people good control is not the right level for others. If you experiment and keep testing your blood sugars as you go, you will soon find what works for you.
Dennis
I'm definitely a low carb fanatic
I've been diagnosed T2 10 years and still only need the low dose of 2 x 500mg Metformin per day. Has kept my HbA1c in the 5s[ whatever the new numbers are!} Due another test in about 6 weeks. Guess Christmas will have done a little damage, although The highest BG I registered was around 7.5! and thqat just the once.
I've met loads of T2s, whose medication has been gradually increased until they've ended up on insulin, with all it's drawbacks [ Hypos, Driving License restriction etc.]
thus it's my belief that restricting carbs is better than restricting my License.
Hana
I've been diagnosed T2 10 years and still only need the low dose of 2 x 500mg Metformin per day. Has kept my HbA1c in the 5s[ whatever the new numbers are!} Due another test in about 6 weeks. Guess Christmas will have done a little damage, although The highest BG I registered was around 7.5! and thqat just the once.
I've met loads of T2s, whose medication has been gradually increased until they've ended up on insulin, with all it's drawbacks [ Hypos, Driving License restriction etc.]
thus it's my belief that restricting carbs is better than restricting my License.
Hana
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Before trying to get chana dahl elsewhere you might try to get it in Tescos (I bought some in Bournemouth) They have quite a large selection of the various lentils in their 'International' section.
I actually don't find it any different to other varieties of dahl (Urid, Moong are 2 in my cupboard) If you look up lentils or chickpeas on the GI data base you'll find that they are all fairly low GI (and it was just one test that put one Bengal gram [other name for chana] with a GI of 11. ) I give less insulin for meals containing lentils/chickpeas as the starch than for other starches. Tinned lentils have a higher GI than dried and boiled. . Chana dahl is in fact about 58% carbohydrate (uncooked), some of the others are lower at about 40%.
I think that most authorities suggest eating pulses/legumes. The DUK site says explicitly: 'Include more beans and lentils
Examples include kidney beans, butter beans, chickpeas or red and green lentils. These have less of an effect on your blood glucose levels and may help to control your blood fats. Try adding them to stews, casseroles and soups, or to a salad'
Somehow this sort of advice gets lost. I suppose if people are unaccustomed to using these in their meals( i never used them at all before) they are less likely to use them.
I remember reading a presentation by a French doctor who said that he would like to advise his patients that most starch in the (diabetic) diet should come from leguminous veg,. He didn't give this advice since he knew that his French patients wouldn't follow it. ( they might eat Puy lentils sometimes or make a soup with lentils but that's about it)
I actually don't find it any different to other varieties of dahl (Urid, Moong are 2 in my cupboard) If you look up lentils or chickpeas on the GI data base you'll find that they are all fairly low GI (and it was just one test that put one Bengal gram [other name for chana] with a GI of 11. ) I give less insulin for meals containing lentils/chickpeas as the starch than for other starches. Tinned lentils have a higher GI than dried and boiled. . Chana dahl is in fact about 58% carbohydrate (uncooked), some of the others are lower at about 40%.
I think that most authorities suggest eating pulses/legumes. The DUK site says explicitly: 'Include more beans and lentils
Examples include kidney beans, butter beans, chickpeas or red and green lentils. These have less of an effect on your blood glucose levels and may help to control your blood fats. Try adding them to stews, casseroles and soups, or to a salad'
Somehow this sort of advice gets lost. I suppose if people are unaccustomed to using these in their meals( i never used them at all before) they are less likely to use them.
I remember reading a presentation by a French doctor who said that he would like to advise his patients that most starch in the (diabetic) diet should come from leguminous veg,. He didn't give this advice since he knew that his French patients wouldn't follow it. ( they might eat Puy lentils sometimes or make a soup with lentils but that's about it)
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Thanks re Chana Dahl i love indian food and i love lentils...what meter do you use, i'm new to this...cheers...woo...x
