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Information for doctors treating diabetic patients.
(After the first shock is dealt with)
 Is this type2 or type1 and what’s the difference?
Mistakenly treating T1 as T2, soley because the patient is adult, could lead to tragedy.
The next bit depends on the individual patient
 For older T2 patients (over 65 years?) set in their ways and resistant to change
Advise cutting sugar and reducing starchy carbs
 Offer a SIMPLE diet sheet, which doesn’t vary much from their usual way of eating, but aim for reducing carb intake.
Self blood testing is probably not important
6 monthly HbA1cs are probably sufficient monitoring.
(Complications take a time to develop, so are not such an issue in the elderly.)
There’s not much point in scaring these patients with descriptions of diabetic complications.
For younger patients
 Describe the treatment.. Offer self testing for at least the first 6 months, so the patient can learn which foods “spike” blood glucose.
 Tell the patient what the typical blood glucose levels are in non-diabetics and how quickly they return to baseline when they do deviate
 Tell patients what the average HbA1c level is in non-diabetics. Having explained HbA1c first
Knowing what non-diabetic levels are will tell motivated and younger patients where the base-line is.
By all means tell patients what the DUK/NICE targets are.. Thus the patients will see how much higher these are than “normal” people
 Explain that there are at least 2 routes to maintaining GOOD control of diabetes, the dietary and the pharmacological
Understand that “eat plenty of complex carbohydrate foods in each meal” is a recipe for high blood sugars or high dose medication.
 Explain the weight gain effects of most common anti-diabetic medication and don’t tell patients using large doses of them to lose weight. You know they can’t
 Have a list of useful books available, so the patient can read more and learn.
Your patient is now in a position to make informed decisions. On whether to CONTROL the condition (to non-diabetic levels) or to follow tradition and the usual guidelines.
 Explain that Full Control of diabetes takes commitment and dedication and is in the patient’s hands.
 Develop diabetic patients self help group, based on your surgery. Perhaps with a dedicated nurse involved.
Instructing compliant patients to” Increase your insulin.” is a lazy way to care for patients.
Understand that non-diabetic blood glucose levels are attainable by motivated patients and will probably save them from “progression” and complications
Understand that Hba1c of 7% is NOT GOOD control
Don’t tell patients that their HbA1c is too low and causing symptoms.
Test your own if you are not diabetic and think whether you have those same symptoms.
Don’t be fixated on hypos. In the long run, they cause far fewer deaths than complications from long term hyperglycaemia.
If your patients are non-compliant, work on the compliance.
The more your patient knows, the better the control is likely to be.
 
For older T2 patients (over 65 years?) set in their ways and resistant to change
Advise cutting sugar and reducing starchy carbs
 Offer a SIMPLE diet sheet, which doesn’t vary much from their usual way of eating, but aim for reducing carb intake.
Self blood testing is probably not important
6 monthly HbA1cs are probably sufficient monitoring.
(Complications take a time to develop, so are not such an issue in the elderly.)

Don't agree with this one,Hana.It would depend on the patient!!Some elderly certainly would want to control their diabetes and test,some would not.There should be a choice.
set in their ways and resistant to change
Fair enough but they should get the info and then decide.
 
Sue, I did write about "set in their ways". Sorry it didn't come adcross underlined as it is in the original.
I just know several older folks, who have decided it's not worth changing anything since their diagnoses. In fact most of those I know diagnosed later in lifeare like this. my mum's neigghbour has loads of sandwiches for lunch every day and a high dose of a combined tablet. The only change he's made is white to brown bread. Can't remember which tablet.. My Mum ignores the situation entirely. ( she's now 91)
 
Hi Hana,

Under the heading "Information for Doctors Treating Diabetic Patients" you have an entry:
Self blood testing is probably not important

This makes it sound like doctors should not encourage anyone to self-test, whereas what I think you mean is that self testing is less important for elderly patients.
 
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I'm going to several diabetes events, which are asking patients to tell the HCP what they would like. I's my take on what I think HCPs should know
And yes, I do mean self testing may not be relevant to some older people.( I have a fairly newly diagnosed elderly neighbour, in his 70s, who can'tt see why he should bother since despite taking insulin twice daily, his BG is consisently around 12. He doesn't seem to think that a couple of stays in hospital lately are anything to do with it. I do chat with him and try to encourage him to take care of himself. I'm fond of the chap.) I don't know that testing is right for him. He doesn't know what to do about the results.
I've added a final paragraph to my original essay, which asks that HPs listen to their patients and don't assume they tell lies.
 
sugarless sue said:
.............Don't agree with this one,Hana.It would depend on the patient!!Some elderly certainly would want to control their diabetes and test,some would not.......
I agree - this elderly 65-year-old would want to control their diabetes and test. :D
 
I don't think it it safe to assume that a person diagnosed at 65+ years old is unlikely to develop long-term complications. They could have had DM type2 for many years before diagnosis without being aware of it. IMO older people should be encouraged to control BG levels as well as is possible for the individual, regardless of age but with due regard for individual circumstances.

My mother lived to be nearly 93 but the last 10-15 years of her life were blighted by what I now realise were the complications of diabetes. I do not think that when she was diagnosed in her 60s she was given much advice on BG control (I appreciate less was known about the condition then) and possibly had high BG levels for up to 15 years before diagnosis although apparently in reasonably good health.

I'm not sure she would have followed any medical advice she was given, she certainly never took any notice of any I offered, but that was her choice!

Best wishes

MaryChristine
 
Hold on Folks,
I did add the phrase"and set in their ways"
I am well aware that many 65+ year olds will want to take control, but equally, I know several who don't. I'm 62 myself and a control freak :lol:
I'm sure I put somewhere that I'd like HCPs to KNOW their patients. That's difficult too in this modern world with large group health Centres.
 
I do agree with your points, Hana, but I wanted to emphasise that HCPs should always assess the individual carefully and offer explanations and choices, rather than automatically deciding that s/he won't want to comply, or be able to comply or that some other disease will get them first!

Best wishes

MaryChristine
 
Mistakenly treating T1 as T2, soley because the patient is adult, could lead to tragedy.
Deffo. I'm 23 now. I was 21 when diagnosed (2 days before I was 21). I'm not small (2st overweight and I'm tall/broad) but I have had one person remark that I got diabetes because I 'ate bad food while at uni and put on weight wso i got diabetes' when in actuality I lost weight (better exercise when you have no car!) and got it due to a viral infection. What's sad is that this girl used to study medicine. Thankfully she didn't complete her studies!!

XKCD has a comic about feeding a child sugary drinks to make them type 1 and then control the child via insulin. Not only is the notion horrific, it is also scientifically unsound for a comic that tries to be smarmily scientific. So hints: grow thick skin & dont read xkcd! :mrgreen:

Explain the weight gain effects of most common anti-diabetic medication and don’t tell patients using large doses of them to lose weight. You know they can’t

Also agree. Maintaining weight is as good as loosing weight if diabetic, loosing weight is a bonus.
 
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