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Confused and overwhelmed

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
I am newly diagnosed 2 weeks ago with type 2. On Metformin twice a day. I am 63 years old and have degenerative arthritis in my spine and fibromyalgia. I am totally confused about carbs and overwhelmed by all the info I have been given by GP and practice nurse. I have bought an Accu check nano to test my glucose levels. Doc has said I cant have strips on prescription cos theres no need to test at the moment, but I like to see and monitor my BS as to what foods affect it. So these are costing me a fortune ( but my choice i suppose ).
Would like any advice that can be given regarding meals ( fed up of porridge and sandwiches ) I should be eating. Dont really understand the carb thingy, and not been explained by any one yet. So very confused and overwhelmed by it all at the moment. :? . Sue.
 
Hi Sue and welcome to the forum :) It is very confusing when you are first diagnosed and you will soon learn how to look after yourself with this forum. You needn't put up with porridge and sandwiches any more as they probably contain too many carbs for you, so they are not good for you anyway! Test and see. Here is some information which I hope will help you understand carbs a bit better. You are right to want to test as by testing you can work out which foods raise your BGs and which are OK for you to eat. You will need to test a lot at the beginning and later you won't need to test so much as you will know what you can eat. Have a good read around the forum and ask as many questions as you like as there is always someone who will have an answer for you.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi, it is confusing. Below is an answer I gave to someone in your position recently - hopefully it might help:-

....."In many cases people find a reduced carbohydrate diet helps both in weight loss and their control of blood sugars, as it's carbohydrates that raise our blood sugar levels. Some people go on very low carb diets, others like me on more moderate ones - i eat about 50 to 60% of the guideline daily amount of carbs. It depends on what your diabetes can tolerate, the amount of weight you need to lose, the type of diabetes you have and so on.
So you may want to start doing some carb counting, and do a bit of a reduction. Look under "nutritional info" on everything you buy to see the amount of carbs - remember. it's not the sugar content, although that's not good, it's the total carbs. Watch out for the starchy carbs that give fast sugar rises. White flour products like white bread, pastry etc are some of the worst. White rice and pasta is not too good, I eat a bit of basmati rice and wholewheat pasta. New potatos are o'k, but mashed or boiled "old" potatos send my sugar levels high. Remember also that even fruit has carbs! Apples about 15 according to size, satsumas the same. Most people find bananas bad and don't eat them.
Daisy will be along with some general guidance and diet tips, and you'll get lots of help and suggestions on here with diet.
Lots of practices don't give testing equipment to people on diet only or on metformin, but they're pretty essential. You need to test before a meal then 2 hours after to see how you've reacted to your food. If it's a big rise, you know you need to leave out some of the stuff you ate the next time! You don't need to test all the time - I did it loads when first diagnosed to see how I re-acted to different foods, but now i know and just test now and again when i try something different.
Good luck, and keep in touch. It does get easier!
 
Thank you both for your replies I will take on board what you have both said. When I tested this morning my meter showed 10.2 this was first thing before I ate anything, tested after 2 hours and it was 9.9. I did have porridge for breakfast. Am now looking at low GI to see what low carbs are on there. Its so flipping depressing when once a week we used to have fish and chips from local chippy, and I am still going to get them for rest of family and I dont know if i can eat them or if im allowed :( . I have lost about 10 lbs in weight ( but i did need to lose weight anyway ) so thats a good thing. but its still slowly going down, and that worries me.
Will have a good look at low carbs and try to sort out what may suit me best. I know lots of people have type 2 diabetes, but just at the moment i feel very much on my own. Especially when I have the other complaints. I have had quite a lot of steroid injections into various parts of my body including my spine and ones into my bottom (these go all the way round your body and hit different joints ) the injections have given me osteopenia of the hips. One thing that was said by my practice nurse was that the steroids could have been responsible for starting the diabetes. ?? Thanks again to both of you for your replies and will definatley keep in touch. So glad I found this forum and its support. Its great :) Sue xx
 
Hi Sue, i was diagnosed about 10 weeks ago and like you i felt very much alone. I have only just joined this forum and have learn't quite a few things all ready. It still feels unreal that i got diabetes and to say the words "I'm diabetic" feels so weird. It's great to chat to people who have actually been there and done that and know exactly how you feel and can give real advice. Yesterday i was feeling really down about it but after coming on this forum i feel a lot better about things.
 
I was diagnosed Diabetic Type 2 some 9 years ago and was told that I had been diabetic for some 8 years prior. Was lucky enough to have great support from my medical practice who advised me to find out everything I could.

The one book that I found incredibly helpful was Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solution published by Little Brown and Company. I bought mine from Amazon. ISBN 0-316-09906-6

The book measures blood sugar in mg/dl and to convert to UK you need to divide by 18 to give you mmol/L. see http://www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-sugar-converter.html for a quick easy online converter. :thumbup:

OK it is a bit like starting a school textbook, but if you want to live happily with type 2 give it a try - it worked for me!

By the way I am not connected with Bernstein, his book or his publisher :)
 
susan newsholme said:
fish and chips from local chippy, and I am still going to get them for rest of family and I dont know if i can eat them or if im allowed

I find the batter, being white flour, sends me very high. Few chips are Ok. Simple solution is to take the batter of the fish! (Yes, I know it's the best bit, but at least you're eating roughly what the family are!) Ideally, you'd leave the chips and have a few boiled new potatos instead, but that's a step too far for me! By the way, left over fish and chip shop chips, put in a bag in the freezer. When you want them, deep fry just for a couple of minutes in deep fat fryer from frozen. Get the best crispy chips ever, and maybe because a lot of the starch goes this way, (chips not nearly so soggy), it seems better for my blood sugar levels.
 
Hi

Welcome to the very large 'club' of Type2s; you are not alone! Although keeping carbs and portion sizes under control is something we all need to get to grips with, there are no absolute rules. I still have fish & chips every so often from the local fish shop but I try to keep the portion size down and don't do it too often. The fat in the meal does help slow down the absorption of the carbs. You can still have chocolate but go for the high cocoa 85% if you can. Avoid highly refined carbs such as things made from white flour and so on. I obtain my test strips off the web which can be cheaper than the local chemist.
 
Grazer said:
susan newsholme said:
fish and chips from local chippy, and I am still going to get them for rest of family and I dont know if i can eat them or if im allowed

I find the batter, being white flour, sends me very high. Few chips are Ok. Simple solution is to take the batter of the fish! (Yes, I know it's the best bit, but at least you're eating roughly what the family are!) Ideally, you'd leave the chips and have a few boiled new potatos instead, but that's a step too far for me! By the way, left over fish and chip shop chips, put in a bag in the freezer. When you want them, deep fry just for a couple of minutes in deep fat fryer from frozen. Get the best crispy chips ever, and maybe because a lot of the starch goes this way, (chips not nearly so soggy), it seems better for my blood sugar levels.

We all adapt in different ways. Though I probably could dose for fish and chips, (I have T1), I wouldn't bother trying. When we go to the UK, OH has fish and chips with the rest of the family. I get something similar but less carb/fat heavy. Last time I was there I had a basa fillet 'Lightly Dusted in Sea Salt and Cracked Black Pepper' with a mixture of roasted med veg and potato . All ready to cook, so no extra work . It worked out at about the same cost as the fish and chips. I think I had the better meal, tastier, healthier...and theres s another fish and some veg left in the freezer for my next visit. .
 
Thanks so much to you all who replied to my post. I feel happier in myself now that I have people to talk to who have the same problem, and don't feel so isolated and alone. Have taken on board everything you have all said and will be looking for Dr Bernsteins book. Have also been reading about GI diet and low carbs. Interesting reading, will be trying the diet for the diabetes see if it makes a difference to BS levels.

I am so glad I found this forum the people on here seem so nice and friendly and there seems to be an answer to almost any question you need to ask. Don't feel so down and fed up now as I was this earlier today when I registered. Thanks again to you all. I might find myself on here a lot of the time :thumbup: Sue x
 
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