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jennie275

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Hi I posted last night feeling quite positive about my diabetes having only been diagnosed last month I thought I was doing really well with what I was eating as i'm feeling great, loads of energy but my recommended diet plan was just to just moderate what I was eating and obviously cut out sugars. However the doctor told me not to eat eggs, bacon or fried foods because of the effect it could have on cholestrol, yet on this forum these are the foods which people are recommending. My cholestrol was 4.9 so was under the recommended level.
Just a little confused? Why is the NHS view of moderation so different to what seems to actually work for people?
 
jennie275 wrote
Why is the NHS view of moderation so different to what seems to actually work for people?

For decades the following have been the cornerstones of conventional dietary advice :

A) fat, especially saturated fat is only good in moderation.
B) dietary cholesterol (e.g. eggs, cheese,red meat) is to be severely limited, since it will increase your cholesterol levels.
C) 'healthy' carbohydrates form the basis of any sensible eating plan.

When you take the above , and throw a condition like diabetes into the mix, all that's left to advise is that the sugar-rich foods are to be restricted, since A and B cannot be increased, and everyone knows carbohydrates are 'good' for you, so continue eating them. Just moderate your intake.

In the last ten/fifteen years there has been growth in new understanding about dietary health e.g.

1) dietary cholesterol doesn't increase body cholesterol
2) carb intake affects cholesterol levels i.e. worsens them
3) saturated fat may not be the villain it's often made out to be
4) a low-carb diet improves cholesterol levels, since many carbohydrate foods turn fairly rapidly to glucose in your body

Some of this has been known for a long term, but Dr Atkins is probably the best known figurehead for this diet revolution (diet as in way of eating.) Paleo, primal, low-carb high fat all share a stance that differs from conventional wisdom.
They've looked back at studies which led to A,B, and C above and have found them flawed. They have proved, by adopting a new way of eating, that benefits can be experienced.
Many diabetics, by testing their blood sugar levels, find carbs to be the main culprit. Some tolerate more, whilst a moderate NHS level is too high for others.

But the NHS is like a super tanker, that can't be easily and quickly turned around. Some GPs, DSNs and other HCPs are recognising the benefits of a low-carb approach, but do so whilst recognising it can't be pushed as NHS advice.

Since many here are looking to take control of their diabetes, they're noticing what others are saying, both about what conventional advice did (or didn't do) for them, and what a fresh approach has done for them. (IanD springs to mind.)

So we feel we're ahead of conventional wisdom. But there's tons of research and studies to support our view. And as I said our own experiences.

Just take time to take it in, and make your own mind up about it all.
It's your diabetes. You're in control.

Geoff
 
Hi Jennie and welcome to the forum :)
Here is some information that we give to new members which should help you to feel less confused. As you are trying for a baby you should follow what the medical staff advise you first. Ask as many questions as you like as there is always someone who will answer.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS


Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 
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