• Guest - w'd love to know what you think about the forum! Take the 2025 Survey »

Confused!!!!

Nikki1111

Well-Known Member
Messages
46
Hi all, I have Type 2 Diabetes and take Metformin 3 times a day. I have only been recently diagnosed so im still very much confused and scared! When i come onto this site, although its helpful, i find it scares me! I am going to a group that helps with Diabetes and what you can eat etc and i am struggling alot with this! Its confusing! Do i eat a low carb, healthy diet or are there foods that are low carb diabetes cant eat???
Im also trying to lose weight and quit smoking! :***:
 
Nikki1111 said:
Hi all, I have Type 2 Diabetes and take Metformin 3 times a day. I have only been recently diagnosed so im still very much confused and scared! When i come onto this site, although its helpful, i find it scares me! I am going to a group that helps with Diabetes and what you can eat etc and i am struggling alot with this! Its confusing! Do i eat a low carb, healthy diet or are there foods that are low carb diabetes cant eat???
Im also trying to lose weight and quit smoking! :***:

Hey! STOP! HALT! SLOW DOWN! :wave: You're in shock and you're trying to do EVERYTHING at once - which is a perfectly normal reaction honestly. But you really don't need to get your head around diabetes, lose weight and quit smoking all in one go. You can take it one step at a time.

To answer your question and as a first step - carbs are undoubtedly the culprit when it comes to high blood sugar, so it makes sense to limit them or eradicate them. Here's a brilliant website which is SIMPLE and it tells you all about eating low carb. Please take your time to read the basics of it and you'll learn that you can low carb WITHOUT STARVING. :D

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

If you haven't got a meter, get one and make Step 2 your next move - learning about testing your blood before and after meals, so you will KNOW what's OK and what isn't for YOU to eat.

Keep asking questions, there's always someone to help and remember - THERE'S NO RUSH. You've found the forum, it's a good one, now all you have to do is ask questions, read up and you're on a roll. :thumbup:
 
Hi Nikki

The honest answer is a lot of us found out the hard way that the standard NHS "healthy diet" advice didn't work for us as T2 diabetics. The problem in my opinion is no distinction is drawn between a healthy diet for a T2 and a healthy diet for everyone else. There is a one size fits all approach. Many of us found the better "healthy diet" is to simply give up as much as possible all things with plain sugar in them and reduce the amount of starchy foods we eat so rice, pasta, bread, potatoes, cereals and other flour based products. That way we have controlled our conditions without having to take a lot of medication. Along side that we have also found that testing our blood levels with a meter is an effective way of seeing how foods are effecting you. So use a meter to tell you how much of the sugar and starchy foods you need to drop to be safe.

The current stuff the NHS states is that low sugar / starch diets are "bad" yet other modern countries recommend them to T2 diabetics for example Sweden and America. Sweden recommends a range of lower carbohydrate (sugar / starch) diets to its T2 diabetics and America recommends half the intake of starchy foods the NHS does. Likewise the NHS doesn't like T2's testing their own blood levels. You'll get to hear no end of rubbish why its bad for you. If it's bad for a T2 then surely it would be bad for a T1 as well? How else are you supposed to work out what foods are good and what foods you should avoid. You don't need to test forever just long enough to understand your own body and what it can and cannot cope with. What's wrong with that?

Starchy foods and sugar both rapidly convert to glucose and make our blood sugars rise. Sugar is the worst offender but those starchy foods are nearly just as bad. For a non diabetic that UK "healthy diet" may well be ok as a non diabetic can cope with mopping up the glucose those foods produce. Many of us simply think that the policy of telling T2's to eat those high starch foods in the quantities that are recommended is similar to telling an alcoholic to drink vodka.

Another thing you'll hear is that low sugar / starch diets are too strict and can't be adhered too. How condescending is that! I really enjoy my new diet and I've lost 4 stone on it, reduced my cholesterol and normalised my blood pressure as well as it giving me nigh on the blood sugar levels of a non diabetic. All of these things are stated out of ignorance in this country in my opinion.

Whatever the case the decision as to how you treat your diabetes must be yours so don't let anyone pressure you into doing something you either feel isn't going to work or that you know wont work for you. Just remember you DO need to get control of your blood sugar levels through some means or else you are putting yourself at high risk of some pretty nasty stuff happening to you.

Take care
 
Thankyou for your replies. i am going to get a meter and test what foods make my levels rise, then i can cut those foods out.

Thanks again x
 
While a diagnosis of Diabetes can certainly be daunting, it isn't the end of the world. For me, the diagnosis focused my mind about my health as never before. I have been taking blood pressure meds for over 20 years, IBS for more than 10 and fought with my weight forever. Some 20 years ago I finally kicked the smoking habit I had for 25 years. I had tried patches, filters and almost ended up in a hospital bed for overdosing on the gum, then I finally realized that smoking, as with any other long standing habit or addiction has two components... the physical and the emotional. The physical addiction to nicotine is about 7 days and for carbs is about 4to5. The mind refuses to believe that of course, as it tends to blend the physical need with the emotional desire. The key, in my experience is the motivation for the change. One MUST see more benefit in the change than the current behaviour. For smoking it is difficult because the mind finds it hard to believe that breathing easier and tasting and smelling better is more of a pleasure than that fag after dinner or with a drink even if you can save a fortune to spend on other pleasures. You must mentally run *TO* the change happily not run away from the current behaviour grudgingly.

I have found many similarities with quitting smoking and quitting carbs.... I love(d) sugar and cakes and breads and potatoes, just as I did the perceived pleasures of smoking a cigarette... not to say that I don't think about them still but I am very happy to be of a 'normal' weight after many years of yo yo dieting and without the struggle it took to loose in the past.... carbs were my nemesis all along and I dare say that had I not had a steady intake of refined carbs all these years, I wouldn't be a diabetic today.(Just my belief) I am very happy not to crave snacks and be distracted by thinking about when my next one will be. I am happy that my IBS seems to be moderating and that my blood pressure is coming down to the point where I need to have a discussion with my doctor about my BP meds... and I am elated that I have my energy back, my desire to move has returned and my sleep is more rested. It took me about a year to stop thinking about the desire to have a cigarette but it became easier every day.... Then one day I noticed that my sense of smell had returned and realized just how bad I, my cloths, my car and my home must have smelled to non smokers.....


Learn all you can about diabetes and all of the things that effect it. When I was diagnosed, I too was in a bit of shock. Then I went straight to the library and checked out about a dozen books on the subject. I have gone to tons of websites that talk about this subject directly and our health as it relates to our diet,lifestyle and metabolic syndrome. You will find two major camps with various iterations of each. One that sticks pretty closely to the standard conventional wisdom and the other that challenges that wisdom with an alternative view. After sticking with my doctor's advise for years with regards to my general health and seeing nothing but slow degradation, I have taken a hard look at the alternative. It is hard to get your head around using fat as a calorie source when you have had years of doctors, media and advertising telling you that it is evil.... but if you read the accounts here, what do you make of the fact that many actually lower their cholesterol numbers by eating the very thing that is suppose to raise it? It does require a leap of faith but look at it this way. By dumping the conventional diet and assuming a low carb one in conjunction with regular testing (and the understanding that you must eat less calories than you expend to loose weight), probably for the first time in years, you will loose your cravings for regular snacks, you will undoubtedly loose weight and your blood pressure will fall. These are all benefits that you can see in relative short order and if they prove not to be helpful, I can say with relative certainty that you won't be harmed by the effort.

While I agree with Grace that you don't have to do everything at once, I find that this lifestyle change is almost identical to smoking. 1) you go through a period of physical withdrawal and 2) it is the long period of adjustment from seeing the pleasure in the past behaviour dissolve into the new pleasure of seeing a new and healthier you. If diabetes has gotten your attention enough for a major change in your life then get stuck in, learn all you can about the things in your life that adversely effect your health.... and get rid of them.

Good luck
Kenny :thumbup:
 
Kenny I think your post above is a terrific description of the whole diabetes diagnosis thing and the perceived 'giving up' of somethings we 'love' or crave - like carbs. I totally agree with you about the state of mind necessary and the running towards the change happily while not running away from the past grudgingly. It's the fear of losing something that holds people back - losing our cigarettes, losing our carbs, losing our sweets and it's important to fully realise that SOMETHING ELSE will replace them and to make sure that it's SOMETHING BETTER.

When I was diagnosed with diabetes I began to realise I was leaving carbs behind, leaving a lot of horrible symptoms behind and I was running towards being alive again instead of being almost dead, which is how I felt 3 months ago. Every single day, I truly feel better than yesterday - and the thing is - it's been simple. So simple I could kick myself for waiting for a diagnosis before I stopped eating carbs.

And the best and most unexpected surprise of all - is the return of my energy which I truly thought had gone forever. I'm 59 but I from the age of 40 I've felt like 112 year old. Now I'm not sure if I feel 59 because I don't know what a 59 year old is supposed to feel like but I certainly feel as if someone has taken years off me.

So any newly diagnosed out there - don't be depressed - get your diet sorted and get resurrected! :D
 
I came at all this from a different ngle; I had a very good diet for a dibetic before diagnosis. I ws dignosed by ccident and immediately given all sorts of medication which made me very ill. I was told to eat more carbs to prevent the side effects of the drugs .
It certainly helped with that but surprise- my bg rose ever more steeply.
So I got into the more meds more carbs higher bg more meds etc cycle unil I encountered a drug which gve me macular oedema .

I was actually feeling fine before diagnosis - no weight to lose no symptoms {alhough I hd had some ten yers earlier} I knew I hd a genetic link to T2 but though I hd escaped it.

I have slowly nd painfully reverted to the diet I followed prior to diagnosis and have regined my health. Unfortunately it appers I am likely o lose my sight at some point in the future, I am very intolerant of starchy carbs nd although this was brought home to me in the opposite way to that experienced by most people I think it demonstrates clearly that starchy carbs are dangerous for some diabetics at least.

I am not a great proponent of the current ways of treating T2 in the local practice but at least there does not seem to be as indecenta haste to pour anyything and everything aaadown the ptient's gullet for a "quick result" that there was wen I was diagnosed nearly 6 years ago.
 
I came at all this from a different ngle; I had a very good diet for a dibetic before diagnosis. I ws dignosed by ccident and immediately given all sorts of mediction which made me very ill. I was old o eat more carbs to prevent the side effects of the drugs .
It certainly helped with that but surprise- my bg rose ever more steeply.
So I got into the more meds more carbs higher bg more meds etc cycle unil I encountered a drug which gve me macular oedema .

I was actually feeling fine before diagnosis - no weight o lose no symptoms {alhough I hd had some ten yers earlier} I knew I hd a genetic link to T2 but though I hd escaped it.

I have slowly nd pinfully reverted to the diet I followed prior o diagnosis and have regined my health. Unfortunately it appers I am nlikely o lose my sight at some point in the future, I am very intolerant of starchy carbs nd although this was brought home to me in the opposite way to that experienced by most people I think it demonstrates clearly that starchy carbs are dangerous for some diabetics at least.

I am not a great proponent of the current wys of treating T2 in the local practice but t least here does not seem to be the indecent haste to pour nything down the ptient's gullet for a "quick result" that there was wen I ws diagnosed nearly 6 years ago.
 
Back
Top