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carpy

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Type of diabetes
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Diet only
hi

I was diagnosed about 6 weeks ago and I have been taking a sample before and 2 hours after a meal. For the last 2 weeks my fasting has been 4.1 to 5.6. I was over weight so am losing it by cutting down portions and a mixture of cutting carbs and GI low carbs.

I have only just had that blood test the one that tells the last 3 months and my nurse seems to know as much about diabetes as I know about gynaecology. She tells me I am doing it all wrong and should take no notice of the internet, just test once a week.

I have a home test kit for ketone's and find I have them in my water which she says is bad. However from what I have read everybody losing weight have ketone's as it is a by product of the body burning fat.

Its confusing does anyone think I am managing or what, I see the nurse for about 6 minutes when I see her.

By the way just seen nurse and she said that test which tells the last 3 months was 36% what would a non diabetic be.
Cholesterol 4.3 and another cholesterol which she says is bad cholesterol was 1.8.

Thanks again for any advice.
 
Hi Carpy, as a T2 you shouldnt need to worry about ketones as you are unlikely to get high levels in your blood unless you are a T1 even with dieting unless your diet is very low in carbs, like under 30g of carbs a day and even then they are unlikely to be dangerous unless you have been misdiagnosed and may be a late developing T1.

Your present regime sounds like it is giving you pretty good control so despite what your nurse says I would say to stick with your present diet, just watch that you eating enough to fuel your lifestyle.

Interesting username.
 
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Oh dear, I think you need to get hold of a copy of your blood test results. 36% is way off the scale, and an impossible figure. Maybe you misheard, or one or the other of you was confused? Did she mean 36, rather than 36% ??? If so, that is a perfectly normal non-diabetic reading. I think you need to clarify this. You also need a copy of your cholesterol results. These are important, as is your HbA1c result. If you don't know where you are, you don't know how much you need to improve.

By the way, your fasting results are excellent. Carry on testing as often as you want. It is not for your nurse to decide this.
 
Oh dear, I think you need to get hold of a copy of your blood test results. 36% is way off the scale, and an impossible figure. Maybe you misheard, or one or the other of you was confused? Did she mean 36, rather than 36% ??? If so, that is a perfectly normal non-diabetic reading. I think you need to clarify this. You also need a copy of your cholesterol results. These are important, as is your HbA1c result. If you don't know where you are, you don't know how much you need to improve.


Carpy said "By the way just seen nurse and she said that test which tells the last 3 months was 36%"

So I would assume it an HbA1c which at 36 is absolutely fine :)
 
Hi. Wow you are doing so well. If you mean your HbA1c is 36 mmol/mol then it is no longer in the diabetic range. It is better than any of mine have been. I wouldn't think it would be 36% as you would have been ill with it at this level. I would be happy with your cholesterol figures too although the medical profession like to see them slightly lower for diabetics. Again they are better than my own.

Well I would say you should take no notice of your nurse and carry on reading the forum for advice. This is of course my own opinion and I have no medical training, but I am diabetic, which I don't expect your nurse is.

When you are producing ketones and your BG's are good then it probably means you are burning fat. Your nurse is concerned about ketoacidosis which is something completely different and is dangerous, but you would have high BG's with this.

Good luck. Keep us up to date. :)
 
Sorry you are right it is the number 36. One more question sometimes if I take a reading 2 hours after a meal it could be 5.2 then before the next meal it can read 6.2 and I really have eat nothing in between how can the level go up without eating.

thanks for all the help.
 
Your 36 puts you firmly in the NON-diabetic range, and so do your fasting readings. That is a massive drop in just 6 weeks. Well done. Do you know what your bloods were when you were diagnosed?

Have these before and after readings happened frequently, or just once? Is there a very long gap between your meals? Have you just exercised immediately before your next meal reading? Perhaps you could write down some of your other readings for us to see?
 
hi
I usually eat 9am 1pm and 5 or 6pm. The increased reading dos'nt happen a lot just enough to make me wonder where it is coming from.
I will test then eat, an hour later I exercise for 15 minutes and then an hour later I test again.
Before After
5.6 5.7
5.7 5.6
5.1 6.3
5.6 5.1
4.7 5.4
4.6 4.3
It is only a few that appear as if it has gone up by its self. I don't know what they were as trying to get info from the surgery is blood out of a stone.
When I first started recording the test was anything between 7.0 and 11.0 but with this method I know what I can eat.
It's a pity I cant decide how much glucose I need for the day and then drink it in the morning lol
For the last 3 weeks my fasting has been below 5.7.


And I will say if it was not for this forum I would be mostly in the dark as my diabetic team is a nurse not very well informed.
 
Those numbers are excellent and within non-diabetic ranges. You are clearly getting it right, and the exercise an hour after eating will be bringing your 2 hour reading down. You could experiment one day and not exercise, then see what happens.

I would demand to know your diagnosis results. How do you know how much improvement you have made otherwise? You are entitled to know, and are entitled to a copy of the print out. Keep asking.
 
hi

I have one more question I bought a Bayer next usb tester and a codefree tester. One before the other. Now the usb one tests consistently
lower than the codefree and quite a lot. for example codefree is 7.2 and usb is 6.3 which is right or are both.

regards
 
hi

I have one more question I bought a Bayer next usb tester and a codefree tester. One before the other. Now the usb one tests consistently
lower than the codefree and quite a lot. for example codefree is 7.2 and usb is 6.3 which is right or are both.

regards

Either or neither! I know that doesn't help, but all meters in the UK have to pass the same test and be within 15% plus or minus accuracy. My advice is to put one meter away for emergencies and stick to just one so you can see the trends.
 
Hi

I have type 2 and before I go to bed I test and it is ussually between 4.7 and 5.7. I sleep all night and dont eat nor drink.
I do a fasting one in the morning and it is 6.2 maybe 6.4. How can it go up at night when I have not eaten.

regards
 
Hi

I have type 2 and before I go to bed I test and it is ussually between 4.7 and 5.7. I sleep all night and dont eat nor drink.
I do a fasting one in the morning and it is 6.2 maybe 6.4. How can it go up at night when I have not eaten.

regards

Have a search and a Google for Dawn Phenomenon or Liver Dump. This is a natural even that happens to anyone, including non diabetics. Our livers will dump glucose in our system when it thinks we need more energy, such as after fasting when our tummies are empty and we are just starting our day, or during exercise if we are a bit short of energy. Some people experience this more than others. You will find a lot of threads on here discussing it.
 
Hello @carpy and welcome to the forum :)

This is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you want and someone will come along and help, as you can see already!


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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