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controlled type 2 diabetes with neuropathy

syed_zaffar

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
I am diabetic since 2 years and started taking prescribed medicine glimipride and high blood pressure medicine by my gp. My blood glucose and bp becomes normal but tingling started in hands and legs then gp told me it is PN neuropathy due to long history of uncontrolled glucose but I was become diabetic 1 month before.they put me on pregabalin and then gabapentin after 6 months he said I am ok and stop neuropathy medicine. Oftenly i get tingling then i take pregablin When I asked if my blood glucose normal why I am getting neuropathy but doctors did not give satisfying answer. Recently experiencing palpitations and short of breath whenever I sleep and have dreams sometimes it will be very high. I consulted cardiologist,pulmonologist,neurologist and gone many test but not able to diagnose correctly. Some say it is due to neuropathy other say it is emotional problem. I am taking pregabalin now. But still having palpitations after dreams. I am worried
 
gp told me it is PN neuropathy due to long history of uncontrolled glucose but I was become diabetic 1 month before.
It is difficult to tell how long any of us had diabetes before we were diagnosed.
I know Type 2 (and, to some extent, type 1 for adults) comes on slowly and it may be years before we notice or our GP takes the tests to diagnose diabetes.
This may be very frustrating but what has happened in the past cannot be changed. This is why I celebrate the anniversary of my diagnosis - it was the day I found out why I was feeling rubbish and was able to get my BG under control.
 
I am diabetic since 2 years and started taking prescribed medicine glimipride and high blood pressure medicine by my gp. My blood glucose and bp becomes normal but tingling started in hands and legs then gp told me it is PN neuropathy due to long history of uncontrolled glucose but I was become diabetic 1 month before.they put me on pregabalin and then gabapentin after 6 months he said I am ok and stop neuropathy medicine. Oftenly i get tingling then i take pregablin When I asked if my blood glucose normal why I am getting neuropathy but doctors did not give satisfying answer. Recently experiencing palpitations and short of breath whenever I sleep and have dreams sometimes it will be very high. I consulted cardiologist,pulmonologist,neurologist and gone many test but not able to diagnose correctly. Some say it is due to neuropathy other say it is emotional problem. I am taking pregabalin now. But still having palpitations after dreams. I am worried

Hi @syed_zaffar and welcome to the forum.

As this is your first post, I will tag @daisy1 and @AM1874 for some brilliant information for newbies.

Your question is very interesting and I am not sure I have an answer for you -- but I will share some of my ideas anyway. My initial was whether diabetic damage is caused by too much insulin or too much glucose. Unfortunately, it is not always easy to tell which of these two manifestations of T2 is more harmful.

As you are probably aware, most of us T2s produce too much insulin (at least for some time until the pancreas is damaged to such a degree that we have to be put on insulin injections). This is because the fundamental defect in T2s is insulin resistance.

The body tries to overcome insulin resistance by producing more insulin. Also, some drugs will work in the same way (these include sulfonylureas). You say that you are on glimipride. Glimipride is such a drug that pushes your pancreas to produce more insulin. Thus, it is not an unreasonable assumption that you have a lot of insulin floating around your system.

So, to see whether too much insulin might be related to neuropathy, I put in a google search . What I found was that neuropathy develops in two cases associated with higher insulin levels. One of theses cases is an insulinoma, which is a tumor on the pancreas that leads to excess insulin secretion with normal or low blood sugars, the second case was when blood sugar levels rapidly normalized, which in at least some cases might also be related to a rapid increase in insulin (by either giving insulin itself or giving insulin-raising drugs such as glimipride).

Here is a link to an article that describes this. http://pmj.bmj.com/content/81/952/103

Mind you -- this involves some speculation on my part. And it doesn't mean that high blood sugar levels will not also cause neuropathy. However, there are some experts who believe that treating T2s by raising insulin is not a good idea, unless it can be shown that your own body doesn't make enough insulin anymore.

In the end, however, you might be more interested in what might help you with neuropathy (and ultimately diabetes).

Many of us T2s on this forum have adopted a low-carb diet (or LCHF -- low carb healthy or higher fat diet) and have achieved normal or near normal blood sugar levels without medication. As you can see in my signature, I started with quite a high Hba1c and was able to come off all medications. This diet works by eliminating carbs, which raise blood sugar levels and insulin, and replacing them with healthy fats (such as olive oil, nut oils, coconut oil and butter), which have no or only a minimal impact. Protein intake stays about the same, as proteins also require some insulin. This diet consequently decreases not only blood sugar levels, but also insulin levels -- which is a good thing for T2s. Over time, some forum members have also noticed that their neuropathy symptoms have improved.

*** However, as you take glimipride, please talk to your GP if you decide to go this route -- as this diet combined with your medication might lower you blood sugar levels too much, so that you might experience hypos.

Also, the supplement R-ALA might help with neuropathy. Some members here have had good experiences with this. I am tagging @Bluetit1802, who I believe has taken it.

I hope some of this helps. Please have a read around this forum and feel free to ask any questions.

Edited for grammar and readability.
 
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Hi @syed_zaffar and welcome to the forum.

As this is your first post, I will tag @daisy1 and @AM1874 for some brilliant information for newbies.

Your question is very interesting and I am not sure I have an answer for you -- but I will share some of my ideas anyway. My initial was whether diabetic damage is caused by too much insulin or too much glucose. Unfortunately, it is not always easy to tell which of these two manifestations of T2 is more harmful.

As you are probably aware, most of us T2s produce too much insulin (at least for some time until the pancreas is damaged to such a degree that we have to be put on insulin injections). This is because the fundamental defect in T2s is insulin resistance.

The body tries to overcome insulin resistance by producing more insulin. Also, some drugs will work in the same way (these include sulfonylureas). You say that you are on glimipride. Glimipride is such a drug that pushes your pancreas to produce more insulin. Thus, it is not an unreasonable assumption that you have a lot of insulin floating around your system.

So, to see whether too much insulin might be related to neuropathy, I put in a google search . What I found was that neuropathy develops in two cases associated with higher insulin levels. One of theses cases is an insulinoma, which is a tumor on the pancreas that leads to excess insulin secretion with normal or low blood sugars, the second case was when blood sugar levels rapidly normalized, which in at least some cases might also be related to a rapid increase in insulin (by either giving insulin itself or giving insulin-raising drugs such as glimipride).

Here is a link to an article that describes this. http://pmj.bmj.com/content/81/952/103

Mind you -- this involves some speculation on my part. And it doesn't mean that high blood sugar levels will not also cause neuropathy. However, there are some experts who believe that treating T2s by raising insulin is not a good idea, unless it can be shown that your own body doesn't make enough insulin anymore.

In the end, however, you might be more interested in what might help you with neuropathy (and ultimately diabetes).

Many of us T2s on this forum have adopted a low-carb diet (or LCHF -- low carb healthy or higher fat diet) and have achieved normal or near normal blood sugar levels without medication. As you can see in my signature, I started with quite a high Hba1c and was able to come off all medications. This diet works by eliminating carbs, which raise blood sugar levels and insulin, and replacing them with healthy fats (such as olive oil, nut oils, coconut oil and butter), which have no or only a minimal impact. Protein intake stays about the same, as proteins also require some insulin. This diet consequently decreases not only blood sugar levels, but also insulin levels -- which is a good thing for T2s. Over time, some forum members have also noticed that their neuropathy symptoms have improved.

*** However, as you take glimipride, please talk to your GP if you decide to go this route -- as this diet combined with your medication might lower you blood sugar levels too much, so that you might experience hypos.

Also, the supplement R-ALA might help with neuropathy. Some members here have had good experiences with this. I am tagging @Bluetit1802, who I believe has taken it.

I hope some of this helps. Please have a read around this forum and feel free to ask any questions.

Edited for grammar and readability.

I do indeed take R-ALA supplements although the neuropathy in my feet is not diabetes related and is very mild and won't deteriorate. (long lasting side effect from chemotherapy over 4 years ago) I find the R-ALA has helped.
 
@syed_zaffar

Hello Syed Zaffar and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to answer.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi @syed_zaffar .. and welcome
You have certainly made a good move coming here. Since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need. It can all seem uphill to start with but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly.

The key point to take on board now is that managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing your blood glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I see that @ daisy1 has already been in touch and I suggest that you read up on the important information that she has sent you .. and the valuable information from @ziggy_w. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. together with the following Diet Doctor websites, which will give you all the info that you need on what and what not to eat ...
Low Carb Intro and Information and Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

Unless you are prescribed one by your Doc or Nursie (unlikely), it is a top priority that you get yourself a test meter and, for this, the following websites might help:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.

The costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available

I'm testing 3-5 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them

Hope this helps
 
Hi @syed_zaffar and welcome to the forum.

As this is your first post, I will tag @daisy1 and @AM1874 for some brilliant information for newbies.

Your question is very interesting and I am not sure I have an answer for you -- but I will share some of my ideas anyway. My initial was whether diabetic damage is caused by too much insulin or too much glucose. Unfortunately, it is not always easy to tell which of these two manifestations of T2 is more harmful.

As you are probably aware, most of us T2s produce too much insulin (at least for some time until the pancreas is damaged to such a degree that we have to be put on insulin injections). This is because the fundamental defect in T2s is insulin resistance.

The body tries to overcome insulin resistance by producing more insulin. Also, some drugs will work in the same way (these include sulfonylureas). You say that you are on glimipride. Glimipride is such a drug that pushes your pancreas to produce more insulin. Thus, it is not an unreasonable assumption that you have a lot of insulin floating around your system.

So, to see whether too much insulin might be related to neuropathy, I put in a google search . What I found was that neuropathy develops in two cases associated with higher insulin levels. One of theses cases is an insulinoma, which is a tumor on the pancreas that leads to excess insulin secretion with normal or low blood sugars, the second case was when blood sugar levels rapidly normalized, which in at least some cases might also be related to a rapid increase in insulin (by either giving insulin itself or giving insulin-raising drugs such as glimipride).

Here is a link to an article that describes this. http://pmj.bmj.com/content/81/952/103

Mind you -- this involves some speculation on my part. And it doesn't mean that high blood sugar levels will not also cause neuropathy. However, there are some experts who believe that treating T2s by raising insulin is not a good idea, unless it can be shown that your own body doesn't make enough insulin anymore.

In the end, however, you might be more interested in what might help you with neuropathy (and ultimately diabetes).

Many of us T2s on this forum have adopted a low-carb diet (or LCHF -- low carb healthy or higher fat diet) and have achieved normal or near normal blood sugar levels without medication. As you can see in my signature, I started with quite a high Hba1c and was able to come off all medications. This diet works by eliminating carbs, which raise blood sugar levels and insulin, and replacing them with healthy fats (such as olive oil, nut oils, coconut oil and butter), which have no or only a minimal impact. Protein intake stays about the same, as proteins also require some insulin. This diet consequently decreases not only blood sugar levels, but also insulin levels -- which is a good thing for T2s. Over time, some forum members have also noticed that their neuropathy symptoms have improved.

*** However, as you take glimipride, please talk to your GP if you decide to go this route -- as this diet combined with your medication might lower you blood sugar levels too much, so that you might experience hypos.

Also, the supplement R-ALA might help with neuropathy. Some members here have had good experiences with this. I am tagging @Bluetit1802, who I believe has taken it.

I hope some of this helps. Please have a read around this forum and feel free to ask any questions.

Edited for grammar and readability.
Thanks for valuable info
 
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