Could BG go back in range so quickly?

cristis

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Hi there, great forum and one personal question if I may...

I've been pre-diabetic for a while, but with 7-8 mmol/L in the morning for the past 2-3 months. So I suspect I already have diabetes 2 now. However, only few days ago I quit drinking and started to exercise a lot. Yesterday I also switched to a mostly veggie-based diet.

To my surprise, I woke up with 4.8 and I had around 5.4 mmol/L three-four times during the day, when I checked again, before and after meals. Is this normal? I didn't expect it to get down so fast. Is it possible I'm still just pre-diabetic? Or it could be hypo from over-exercising? (I didn't and do not feel so great BTW)

Sorry for so many questions, I'm just a bit confused...
 

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As alcohol can delay the effects that food has on bg (the liver has to deal with the booze before it can deal with anything else) then it is certainly possible to see a prompt lowering of bg.

Tagging @daisy1 for the info pack for you and welcome to the forum btw.
 

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Thanks a lot, @Guzzler.

I've been a heavy drinker until 10 days ago. No alcohol since then (I'm done with it), just heavy exercising. But I was still waking up with around 8 in the morning. Just yesterday I started on the proper low-carbs meals and that's my first day with such low BG in a while.

Wow, I'd be more than happy if the high BG was mainly from the alcohol, but I still have doubts. Anyway, I start living the way I should... :)
 

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It won't be mainly from the alcohol but the liver is a remarkable organ and even with small changes to diet and excercise it can be gratifying to see those changes in blood glucose readings. Your fasting bg may take a while to come down and stabilise because that is the trickiest one of all. As to feeling a little on the low side this may be due to your lower bg the body can get used to higher than normal bg and when we change our diet and excercise regimes the body doesn't always like it at first but this will pass very quickly.

Just as an aside, red wine in moderation is said to be beneficial. The drinks to avoid are beers, lagers and ales. Spirits are ok in moderation, too. Other drinks to avoid are fruit juices/squashes as these cause a spike in bg and fruit whether in liquid or solid form ends up being stored as fat in the liver.

Sounds like you've grabbed the bull by the horns, well done and keep up the good work.
 
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@cristis

Hello Cristis and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

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@cristis If beer was your tipple of choice, it is high carb, so you may have already adjusted your carb intake to a level your body is able to process
 

cristis

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@cristis If beer was your tipple of choice, it is high carb, so you may have already adjusted your carb intake to a level your body is able to process
well, I'm ashamed to say, but 40% wisky was my poison. Half a litre or more before going to bed...
 

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well, I'm ashamed to say, but 40% wisky was my poison. Half a litre or more before going to bed...
Well done with giving up the alcohol! As someone who has been there, done that, I realise what an achievement that is. I also like your attitude of 'living the way you should'. Beware, though, you have to be resolute, it's a very slippery slope...
 
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My personal observation is that liver seems to have the following clearance order...
1) alcohol
2) sugar/carbs
3) fats
So if it is busy clearing away alcohol, the sugar starts to backlog. If it is busy clearing sugar/carbs, the fats starts to backlog...

It is not a great multitasker...
 
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SueJB

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Hi there, great forum and one personal question if I may...

I've been pre-diabetic for a while, but with 7-8 mmol/L in the morning for the past 2-3 months. So I suspect I already have diabetes 2 now. However, only few days ago I quit drinking and started to exercise a lot. Yesterday I also switched to a mostly veggie-based diet.

To my surprise, I woke up with 4.8 and I had around 5.4 mmol/L three-four times during the day, when I checked again, before and after meals. Is this normal? I didn't expect it to get down so fast. Is it possible I'm still just pre-diabetic? Or it could be hypo from over-exercising? (I didn't and do not feel so great BTW)

Sorry for so many questions, I'm just a bit confused...
Well done on the change of life style
 
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cristis

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@kokhongw, 10 days ago I actually got rid of the sugar as well. Interesting, but I feel almost no craving today, for either alcohol or sugar. And all is looking good, first week was a bit tricky. The key was to keep myself exhausted with exercise.

PS: thank you ALL for your comments so far...
 

cristis

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Update: I just found out about the strong side effects of starting a low-carbs diet the first time. This is how I felt for the past two days.

Here is the link for my reactive hypoglycemia and here are all side effects explained in detail. Hopefully this may help other people discovering this thread...
 

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Update: I just found out about the strong side effects of starting a low-carbs diet the first time. This is how I felt for the past two days.

Here is the link for my reactive hypoglycemia and here are all side effects explained in detail. Hopefully this may help other people discovering this thread...
Read that article - sounds horrible, I just dropped straight in to low carb - 50g day now I'm down to about 20 average a day now (started about month ago) before looking at/up any of the effects of a big drop in intake- doubt would have done it if read that beforehand! - thankfully I didint seem to get any of those symptoms, would turn any one right of tbh